A GOP Deer in the Headlights …
Posted by: Blue Collar Muse in 2008 election season, Blogroll, Elephant Bites, Immigration, Individual Responsibility, Law Enforcement, PoliticsThis morning, Nashville talk radio host Steve Gill reported on a meeting that TN Senator Lamar Alexander held with constituents in Middle Tennessee.
This was one of those meetings across the Senate’s Memorial Day break everyone is being encouraged to attend to ensure the politicians hear what the people have to say, especially concerning illegal immigration. After the meeting concluded a number of attendees called Steve to report on what went on. I personally did not attend. Everything that follows is what I heard (or my recollection of what I heard) on the radio and is, thus, hearsay. Steve Gill and Lamar Alexander are not responsible if I get my story wrong. With that caveat, read on …
The general consensus (at least one person disagreed) was the meeting was either a rude awakening for Lamar or a good old fashioned throwing down of the gauntlet! After some opening remarks and a campaign video, things got a little sporty! The exact timeline is unclear as is the exact sequence of events but it is reported that each of the following happened at some point:
- An attendee jumped up and yelled out something to the effect of, “Secure the borders first and then we can talk!”
- An attendee asked for a show of hands for those present in support of the Amnesty Plan (my pejorative title) and got no takers. Asked to show opposition to the Amnesty Plan in like manner, nearly everyone in the room raised their hands.
- There was general agreement among callers concerning the breakdown of ‘Roberts’ Rules of Order’. Attendees were both loud and pointed in voicing their views.
- The ‘After opening remarks Sen. Alexander will take questions from his constituents’ format was quickly abandoned by the Senator (or his handlers, or both) in favor of the new and improved ‘Sen. Alexander will talk quietly and one-on-one with constituents’.
- While he wore a lapel mike at first so his comments could be heard, it was removed for the one-on-ones. The Senator was asked to use the mike again so everyone could hear his comments. Senator Alexander did not comply with that request.
- When attendees objected to the abrupt change in format they were advised the meeting was being held on private property and by people that had the right to make changes. If those changes were unacceptable, those objecting were advised they were free to leave.
- The observation was made by several callers that Sen. Alexander’s people at one or more points in the meeting physically moved so as to form a protective barrier or cordon for the Senator. That is my term, not that of any caller. I don’t recall anyone using terms that strong but I also don’t recall thinking in any other terms when hearing it described.
- Several callers stated they made it bluntly clear to Lamar that if he voted for this bill they would not vote for him in ‘08. One caller echoed the Washington Times donor story I blogged on here by pointedly telling Steve Gill, “My wallet is closed!”
While one caller noted that there were at least a few Democrats present, Steve Gill made the cogent point that this treatment of the good Senator came at the hands of his friends and supporters.
Most of the callers also made the observation, in one form or another, that Sen. Alexander seemed shaken by the emotion and reaction from those attending. Prior to this morning, all I’ve heard from the Senator, personally (on radio interviews) and via others is that he was undecided or neutral but leaning to supporting the bill. It remains to be seen if he is shaken enough to finally declare his opposition to the bill.
Throughout the discussion, all I could think of was the humorous line from Inspector Kemp in the 1974 film ‘Young Frankenstein’, “A riot isss an ugly ting …”
Wondering how many remember the end of Inspector Kemp’s quote is, “… undt, I tink it is about time zat ve had one!”
Blue Collar Muse
Update: Welcome to all the visitors from Instapundit, Slate.com, The PoliPundit, Bill Hobbs, RedState, Steve Gill and The Conservative Grapevine.
For the perspective from someone who was at the meeting, head over to Lamar Gets a Reality Check at Bear Creek Ledger.
**This was a production of The Coalition Against Illegal Immigration (CAII). If you would like to participate, please go to the above link to learn more. Afterwards, Email the Coalition and let us know at what level you would like to participate.Other recent Coalition contributions:
Gov. Perdue may Kill Illegal Immigration Bill in GA at Georgia Crime Watch;
The President’s Immigration Speech Translated … Congress Should Have the Courage to Lie at StiknStein has no Mercy;
Bush Defends Immigration Plan at My Country - My View;
An Open Letter to the President at The Violence Worker;
The Curse of the Immigration Bill … Summer Blockbuster at StiknStein has no Mercy;
Bush, Ya’ Talkin’ to Me? at The People’s Patriot
A Day Without Gringos at Committees of Correspondence;
RNC Refuses to Believe the Obvious at Bear Creek Ledger;
Rally Against Illegal Immigration a Success in Cobb County at Georgia Crime Watch;
Press “1″ to Donate to Your Favorite GOP Candidate - Press “2″ to Tell Us to Kiss Off! at StiknStein has no Mercy
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June 2nd, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Sometimes I get the distinct feeling that politicians don’t really appreciate Government of, by & for the people. They love it on paper, but in practice, I think they would rather play “who’s your daddy” for a evening at the state prison than to have to deal with a riled up base that is in no mood for political BS & platitudes.
Alexander is a RINO from way back and I’m not surprised in the least by his response to the citizenry. I hope he and all other RINO that have to have boarder security explained to them by “Joe Six-Pack” are replaced in 08.
Thanks for a great post; I hadn’t heard about any of this before now.
June 2nd, 2007 at 6:59 pm
[…] Blue Collar Muse » A GOP Deer in the Headlights … # An attendee jumped up and yelled out something to the effect of, “Secure the borders first and then we can talk!” […]
June 2nd, 2007 at 7:01 pm
I hope the Senator sticks to his principles. I am no luiberal at all and Ihave actually read this bill.
It gets a ton of enforcement measures in that conservatives have been begging for for years.
To get that in you got to make a deal on regularization. THe ironic thing is that under this bill as it currently is we shall have prob have more deportations occuring over the next 5 years than we have seen in our history. Many will self deport because of the new Wrokplace verification system and law. But to get that we got to deal with the Dems.
If we don’t the hard truth is this. THe hard enforcement measures will be out of the bill and something more liberal will pass. I think they got the votes too.
or
We return to the status qou which is not an option. The hard right on this is about as blind as the hard left on the IRaq war.
People will find that if and after this bill passess it will not be the big feal people says it is. Last years elections in the House should have shown that.
JH
Louisiana
June 2nd, 2007 at 7:07 pm
I e-mailed both Tenn. Senators last week. I thanked Corker for his vote against the bill and provided a precise three point plan (secure, enforce and no amnesty) to Alexander as well as logging dissent with his “for” vote. Corker’s response was within days saying the bill demanded more debate and stay in touch. I have yet to hear from the other guy. Guess he’s busy… What I like about this is, the electorate’s reaction is pure common sense.
June 2nd, 2007 at 7:07 pm
All I can say is “enforement first, bitches.” When you have the border under control, then we’ll talk about amnesty.
June 2nd, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Dear Jeffersonian,
First, let me say that I whole heartedly agree with you about “enforcement first.” After 9/11 you would think that border security would be a no-brainer, but the representatives of our little experiment in Republic Democracy seem to think differently. IMHO, its time for a revolution, after all it was your Mr. Jefferson who said: “A little revolution, now & then, is a healthy thing. It is as natural as lightening.”
I must however, take exception with your use of the word “bitches.” Here at Conservablogs we hold ourselves to the highest of standards and do not use such crass & passé terms such as “bitches,” unless we are blogging about female dogs. So in the future please refrain from using “bitches” and substitute the more enlightened “beyaches.”
Thank you for your time & attention.
James
June 2nd, 2007 at 8:32 pm
I’ve heard this bill described as “No Illegal Immigrant Left Behind.” Apt.
I, too, have had enough. My wallet is also closed.
June 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 pm
JH, if you really, really believe that the enforcement measures n that bill will actually be used to secure the borders, I’d like to talk to you about some beach property and a large iron structure in the New York Metro area.
Get real. If they truly wanted a compromise, it would be easy enough to build in security metrics that could be verified prior to any ‘regularization’ or amnesty.
I am, generally, in favor of allowing hard-working, law-abiding immigrants to apply for citizenship no matter how they got here. I am wildly not in favor of not only allowing hard-core criminals to flout our laws and remain here, let alone by ‘regularized’ (unless that means imprisonment followed by deportation). I am also not in favor of waving at illegals as they cross the border.
If you believe you can talk a majority of Americans into trusting the Congress on this I think you’ve lost your mind.
June 2nd, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Why all the hubbub bub?
The bill has enforcement right in there… just like the 1986 bill.
Actually, since the Government believes this plan will work, we can conclude the silimar 1986 plan worked, therefore we don’t need to do anything because (as Ted Kennedy said) the 1986 bill was the last one we’d need…
Woohoo, the problem was solved in ‘86… anyone for ice cream?
June 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 pm
I am a member of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters…I work in a very large cabinet/millwork shop in Metro Washington DC, 1/2 of the men I work with are immigrants…1/2 of the men I work with are IMMIGRANTS and they are pissed off that these people are going to be able to stay…the average time it took these very hard working men to get visas to come here is 10 (long) years. In 1986, we were promised that there would be no more amnesties for illegal immigrants…once again they lied to America…when will we stop this madness?
The jobs most illegals do are those same jobs I worked at as a kid in high school and college…my kids can’t find jobs (they have no skills — 16, 18, 19 yo)…because they’ve been taken by those who BROKE THE LAW to come here.
that’s my rant…comment as you wish
June 2nd, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Thanks to all that have commented so far -
James - thanks for always getting my back.
DP - thanks for the pingback!
JHood - I think there have been any number of results from last year’s election that show the results of Nov ‘08 to be VERY bad. We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for coming by, though.
D - I’ve been pleasantly surprised by Corker so far! I supported Ed Bryant against him in the primary and reluctantly voted for BC in the general election. He seems to be doing pretty well so far. Better than Lamar, by a long shot …
Jeffersonian - I have nothing to add …
Bob1 - No Illegal Immigrant Left Behind … priceless!
JorgX and Rich V - You’re both spot on! We already have LEGAL immigrants we welcome with open arms. If the rest want the same welcome, let them come in the same way!
Gekkobear - You’re talking about Teddy Kennedy here. There won’t be any ice cream unless it’s wallowing in Kahlua …
Blue Collar Muse
June 3rd, 2007 at 4:22 am
It’s great that you read the bill and found lots of enforcement goodies in it. But now you need to look at how well the enforcement goodies of the 1986 bill were put into action. I’ll summarize: they weren’t! They were just bait, designed primarily to convince opponents of the bill to vote for it, and for Reagan to sign it, so that the legalization/amnesty/regularization could be given.
June 3rd, 2007 at 4:23 am
My comment was directed to jhood, btw.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:45 am
Poster No. 3 may have a point, that we want border control, we’re going to need to compromise.
But the question is, compromise with whom? Over what? Who objects to a secure border, such that their support for control must be bought with amnesty, weird visas, etc.? How did the single simple question of securing the borders (in wartime, no less) morph into this door-stop of a “compromise package?”
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:09 am
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June 3rd, 2007 at 8:16 am
It is sad to see Senator Alexander become completely out of touch with Tennesseans.
If Republicans thought that the 2006 elecction results were bad, wait for the 2008 election results. A lot of conservativ e voters will be wrriting in candidates, voting for someone else, or even staying home.
The elitists in the U.S. Senate are out of touch with Americans and are nothing more than a good ole boy club.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:16 am
Term limits. Term limits Term limits.
It’s our only hope.
June 3rd, 2007 at 12:37 pm
A GOP Deer in the Headlights ……
Cross posted from Blue Collar Muse
This morning, Nashville talk radio host Steve Gill reported on a meeting that TN Senator Lamar Alexander held with constituents in Middle Tennessee.
This was one of those meetings across the Senate’s Memorial Da…
June 3rd, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Great blog entry Blue Collar Muse.
I was at the meeting.
President Bush doesn’t need one new law to enforce our borders and he doesn’t need any new laws to enforce the laws that are already on the books concerning the hiring of illegal aliens by employers.
I agree with Rep. Tom Tancredo’s characterization of this bill as an amnesty bill.
June 3rd, 2007 at 3:19 pm
[Poster No. 3 may have a point, that we want border control, we’re going to need to compromise.
But the question is, compromise with whom? Over what? Who objects to a secure border, such that their support for control must be bought with amnesty, weird visas, etc.? How did the single simple question of securing the borders (in wartime, no less) morph into this door-stop of a “compromise package?”]
Ted Kennedy… didn’t you hear them when they made the big announcement?… they “were lucky to have him”. Problem is, Mr. Kennedy has had his hands in every “comprehensive” immigration reform bill since 1965 but especially since he drafted the now famous 1986 one. You’d think these idiots would learn by now…
June 3rd, 2007 at 3:25 pm
[I’ll summarize: they weren’t! They were just bait, designed primarily to convince opponents of the bill to vote for it, and for Reagan to sign it, so that the legalization/amnesty/regularization could be given.
Comment by HO]
That’s about the size of it. If you look closely at all the triggers, they are all qualified with “subject to the availability of funds”. What that means is unless the money is there for them, they’ll never happen. Would you care to bet on how available those funds are going to be?
June 3rd, 2007 at 5:47 pm
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June 3rd, 2007 at 8:08 pm
I’m glad Sen. Alexander got an earful, and then some. Both voters in this house have abandoned 40+ years as Republicans; it’s a great time to be Independent, don’t you think?
As for the two major parties, a pox on both their houses.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Gee, where were you folks when California’s governors Pete Wilson-R and Gray Davis-D were pleading with then President B-41s and B-Monica to do something to staunch the flow of illegals? When we California voters passed Proposition 187 to deny government handouts to illegals and folks in other states were calling us all bigots for having done that, where were you? Well, our current president was then a governor in Texas with bigger ambitions and you bet that he was paying attention.
Oh, and enough with the Dutch lingo (”naam”, “jouw”) in the comments section. “English only” starts at home.
June 4th, 2007 at 8:47 am
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June 4th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
“It gets a ton of enforcement measures in that conservatives have been begging for for years.”
Absurd. Existing laws are more than adequate to deal with illegal immigration. The problem is, the administration has all but abandoned interior enforcement — e.g. look up the statistics on that under Bush. All the talk of enforcement is a fraud — Bush has a big credibility problem here, which is one reason his idea of ‘immigration reform’ is in trouble. People are fed up with the on-the-ground reality.
June 5th, 2007 at 1:06 am
Calif Dem here, as disgusted by this farce as y’all are. Plague on both your rotten cynical opportunistic houses..
Third party, anyone?
Y’know, one that understands the needs of low- and moderate-income American families and that offers border security, immigration sanity, national security, school vouchers, national health insurance…
June 5th, 2007 at 1:18 am
Obviosuly both parties are determined to ignore if possible, slime if necessary, and in any case stick it to low-skilled Americans of any race. The Tweedledee Party wants to import yet another underclass and drive wages even lower; the Tweedledum Party wants to lock up the latino voting bloc. Both of them talk a good game (A. Gore 1996: “NAFTA will reduce illegal immigration”) but when it comes to the creeping Brazilification of America, their response to working-class US saps is, Go start a hedge fund.
Enough of these clowns, of their fibs and fairy tales, like the bogus “pro-family” campesinos (anyone care to look at the illegals’ legitimacy rates? 1.5x higher than african-americans) or the idiotic notion that we could somehow have a desperate labor shortage at the same time there’s a desperate shortage of low-end _jobs_ that pay a livable wage.
The gazillionaires who lead the Tweedledum Party are in hock to the NEA and the “Diversity” Lobby, give us atrocious public schools, and send their kids to private schools. The gazillionaires who lead the Tweedledee Party are in hock to religious zealots, gin up all kinds of irrelevant adn istiotic culture wars, and would pay for an abortion for their daughters in a heartbeat. Neither one gives a damn about American workers who stand to lose everything should they fall seriously ill and lose their jobs, whose kids are saddled with sh*tty schools, whose wages have gone nowhere these last 30 years.
A pox on both. Third party, now. You in?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:46 am
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June 5th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
CAII ROUND UP!…
HERE IS A CAII ROUND UP LOT’S OF GOOD READING… ENJOY!!!…
June 6th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
“If Republicans thought that the 2006 elecction results were bad, wait for the 2008 election results. A lot of conservativ e voters will be wrriting in candidates, voting for someone else, or even staying home.
The elitists in the U.S. Senate are out of touch with Americans and are nothing more than a good ole boy club.”
WE NEED TO FIX THIS IN THE PRIMARIES, so we don’t end up with President Hillary Obama… who both voted today btw to allow access to the Z visa program to thousands of illegal alien *criminals*. That’s right - 51 Senators, mostly Democrats but including McCain, Hagel and the usual RINO suspects, decided in their infinite wisdom to turn down Cornyn’s Amendment that barred those illegal aliens with criminal backgrounds from gettign the z visa amnesty path to citizenship.
They stuck with the compromise which is that less than 3 misdemeanors and flouting deportation orders is not bad enough to get denied the citizenship gravy train. What a farce!
Every one of those 51 Senators needs to have their careers ended PRONTO - that includes, McCain, Hillary, Obama, to start, but lets not end their. Lets make 2008 painful for both Democrats and Republicans who are foisting this on us.
June 26th, 2007 at 9:18 am
Isakson and Chambliss to Vote NO for Cloture Today…
**COALITION AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION**…