What in the World is Obama’s “Civilian National Security Force”?
Posted by: Blue Collar Muse in 2008 election season, Constitution Issues, Homeland Security, Law Enforcement, Liberal, US MilitaryUPDATED: In a follow up piece to the one linked below, World Net Daily notes that Obama’s comments are disappearing from the few places they had been recorded on the web. The video is vanishing as well. However, Fort Hard Knox has audio of the speech.
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I was getting ready to start my day early this morning when my phone rang. It was a friend of mine in DC who wanted to know if I had seen and/or blogged about a comment Barack Obama made recently at a speech in Colorado. I told him it was unlikely and asked what he said that was so earth shattering.
In a July 2 speech outlining plans to expand opportunities for people to serve in areas such as AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps, Obama makes the following statement with no explanation or amplification.
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
When I read that, I furiously started looking for it on the web. Interestingly, I found only 3 references to it. The Chicago Tribune reported it. Joseph Farah at World Net Daily reported it. It’s reported that Congressional Quarterly reported it as well but I can’t find the article. Google searches reveal only blogs are covering it and none of the usual suspects have it. There are references to some discussion on Sean Hannity’s forums.
As both my friend and Joseph Farah observed,
The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn’t count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion.
Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that?
The questions are legion and the implications of such an organization are staggering! What would it do? According to the title, it’s a civilian force so how would it go about discharging “national security” issues? What are the Constitutional implications for such a group? How is this to be paid for? Is this accounted for in some of Obama’s currently proposed tax increases or will we need more taxes to fund this enterprise? The statement was made in the context of youth service. Is this an organization for just the youth or are adults going to participate? How does one get away from the specter of other such “youth” organizations from Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union when talking about it?
Joe Farah has, so far, been unsuccessful in getting any information out of the Obama camp on this. No MSM outlet is asking about it and the blogosphere is just ramping up. I’d like to see the rest of us get involved and get some clarity on exactly what Barack is proposing. At the least, it would seem a major expense that would have to be paid for. The ‘at worst’ options are pretty terrifying to contemplate. I’ve put in a request to the Obama campaign for some amplification and clarification. We’ll see what they have to say. More on this later …
Blue Collar Muse
NOVEMBER 6, 2008 UPDATE: Possible funding source for Civilian National Security Force? Slash Defense Spending!
SEE ALSO:
Obamalitia? by BadIdeaGuy at Target Rich Environment
What is Obama’s $400 Billion Civilian National Security Force? by Leslie Carbone at Leslie Carbone
Have You Heard About Obama’s Civilian National Security Force? by Fred Dooley at Real Debate Wisconsin
More Agenda Items by Kay Brooks at Kay Brooks
What in the World is Obama’s Civilian National Security Force? at ARRA
Obamassiah’s National Army at Stix Blog
Obama Gets Scarier by Van Helsing at MoonBattery
Obama to Build Security Force to Rival Military by Mario Burgos at Mario Burgos
When is a Military Force Not a Military Force? by Skip at Granite Grok
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Tags: Americorps, Barack Obama, Chicago Tribune, Civilian National Security Force, Colorado, Peace Corps
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July 16th, 2008 at 6:49 am
We had one of these when I was a kid, and it’s enforcers were given the power of life and death. They were called “nosy neighbors.” If they saw us kids doing something really bad they’d tell our folks, and we would then get killed. Not a bad system - probably saved a lot of lives.
[”It’s profiling, I tell ya - you just got it in for kids!”]
July 16th, 2008 at 7:35 am
I thought we already had the FBI, DEA, BATFE, US Marshals, TSA, postal inspectors, park rangers, Secret Service, state bureaus of investigation, state police, local police, sheriffs and constables, among others, that already did that.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Michael,
Absolutely. Which makes it all the more interesting that Obama wants this organization to be civilian based. I wonder what his definition of civilian actually is? Do the folks you reference constitute civilians or is he shooting to recruit folks with no connection to government at all?
This issue becomes stickier the more questions we ask.
Thanks for the comment. And glad you’re feeling better. It’s good to have you back!
Blue
July 16th, 2008 at 8:14 am
The other, more likely, possibility here is that Obama has absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. That would explain why he hasn’t elaborated on the idea.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:20 am
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July 16th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I wonder who is really pulling Obama’s string. Will these be the new gestapo? Will you need a certificate to be a member? Will they be knocking on our doors to take our guns? Are most Americans on crack now a days? This man is a blithering empty suit who will probably put his weatherman underground group in charge. Which leaves a bigger question? How can you vote against him with McCain when McCain turns his back on Conservative principles. Is it time for a 3rd party candidate? I think so. Maybe we can get Ross back.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am
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July 16th, 2008 at 11:56 am
“…in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set.”
I’ll just add another question. What are the ‘national security objectives we’ve set’? Oh, and one more. Who is we?
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July 16th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
It’s pretty clear from the context (he ad-libbed those lines) that the specific force he is referring to is a rejuvenated Americorps, Peace Corps, and diplomatic corps. Here are the two paragraphs (from the prepared text) just before his ad-libbed lines:
As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots, and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem - they are the answer.
We’ll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We’ll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we’ll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
The ad-libbed lines follow immediately. You can see it, starting about 15-16 minutes in, on the YouTube video of the speech. The meaning is clear in context; Farah is being deliberately obtuse.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Folkbum,
I understand that Obama may stray from his remarks. Politicians do that from time to time.
However, if you expect me to believe that the comment he made was an extemporaneous amplification of the remarks you quote above, then it is you who are being deliberately obtuse.
The problem I, and many others, have with his comment is that it is not clear from context. To go from talking about service to the country and the world via Americorps and the Peace Corps and “renewing our diplomacy” to calling for a program (not several) which would have a budget that rivals the military’s and then wrapping it all up under the umbrella of a “civilian national security force” is, in no way, shape or form, clear!
How in the world can you ask me to believe that it is? If Obama is being misquoted and misunderstood, all he has to do is explain himself. That he hasn’t or won’t speaks volumes!
July 16th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
In theory couldn’t this civil force then be used as a way of imposing “Martial Law” on the nation or any section of it without declaring same or violating the Posse comatus law?
Scares the hell out of me. Hang on to your guns folks, and stock up on ammo you may need it to defend yourself and and family against U.S. Government sponsoed terrorists.
Owen
July 16th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Your reporting of the Honorable Senator Obama’s comments while he was actively courting the Jewish vote evoked three common themed comments and rather than just choosing one, I present all three for your consideration:
1. Sounds like Obama enjoys literary works by wallpaper hanging German corporals.
2. The American Heritage Dictionary definition of the
SSCivilian National Security Force: “An elite quasi-military unit of theNaziDemocrat party that served asHitler’sObama’s personal guard and as a special security force inGermanythe U.S.A.”3. Note to self: Corner the Jack Boot polish market before January 09 – I’ll be RICH!!
July 16th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
We had one of these when I was a kid, and it’s enforcers were given the power of life and death. They were called “nosy neighbors.” If they saw us kids doing something really bad they’d tell our folks, and we would then get killed for doing whatever it was. Not a bad system, that - probably saved a lot of lives.
[”It’s profiling, I tell ya - you just got it in for kids!”]
July 16th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
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July 16th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
However, if you expect me to believe that the comment he made was an extemporaneous amplification of the remarks you quote above, then it is you who are being deliberately obtuse.
It was one of two things. Either Obama was, as I suggested, riffing on what he had just that second finished saying, or he let slip accidentally something about a new super-secret plan that had never been mentioned before or since by him or his campaign. The second option seems unlikely, as he is usually a careful speaker and if he had a super-secret plan, he’d probably not go blabbing in a room full of people during a major policy address covered by all the networks. That, and in the video, you can see he actually raises his voice and speeds up to beat the applause building after his “renew our diplomacy” line. If he were starting in on something new, why wouldn’t he wait so he could be heard?
As for the size and funding, I think we disagree on the readings of the words “strong” and “well.” There is nothing in what he actually said that means he wants any kind of civilian force of equal size to the military; the rest of the speech and his website are clear he’s talking about less than 300,000 people. There’s no way that could ever rival the DoD in price, but he may have meant, by “well-funded,” that funds for AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps and the Foreign Service would be as easy to secure as funds for military projects. I admit I’m interpreting, here, but there is also nothing about what he said elsewhere in the speech, before, or after to suggest that he wants his service programs to match defense spending dollar-for-dollar. The ad-lib may have also been a little, well, hyperbolic.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
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July 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Folkbum,
Thanks for some additional input. Perhaps you are correct in your parsing of what he meant when he said it.
I do agree with you that it was one of two things. However, my two things are decidedly different than yours.
Obama was either proposing a huge new force beyond the military which will be tasked as he said with “national security” affairs. From his words, especially putting them in the context of his remarks on youth service which no one in their right mind would describe as related to “national security”, I conclude he might possibly intend something vast and heretofore unseen in our Republic. That things like this have been seen other places simply means that it is possible to accomplish given the right conditions. Once again, if this is not what he means, all he need do is clarify his remarks and the issue is over. He has yet to do so.
The other option is that he is, as you suggest, amplifying the message contained in his remarks immediately preceding his comments on national security. When he speaks of the “military” and “national security objectives” people should automatically connect those terms with the organization and mission of Americorps and the Peace Corps. And when he compares the budget of his proposed “civilian national security force” with that of the military and says he wants the force to be “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” people should automatically understand he doesn’t really mean what he says, they should understand he means something different.
Of those two options, #2 is actually scarier. Are we, as a nation, so stupid as to empower a man who takes no responsibility for his part in communication? If he has something to say, can he not say it plainly? Why must we endure this sort of deciphering and gnostic parsing of his words? Obama wants to be the most powerful and influential man in the world. You want me to elect him to that office even though, in a matter as serious as this, both of us are still, after two weeks, trying to decide what he means? That is insane!
He either wants some vast, new government nightmare or he does not. He’s either being misunderstood or he is not. He can clarify his comments and make his intentions and meaning crystal clear or he cannot. So far he has chosen “cannot”. That’s not confidence inspiring enough to make me give him a pass on this one. It ought not be for you either.
The cult of Obama may yet destroy me and mine but they’ll have to come hunt me down and do me personally while they look me in the eyes. And I won’t go quietly or make it easy for them by drinking their kool-aid willingly. The more this man talks, the worse he looks. And there’ll be a lot of talking between now and November.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Obamassiah’s National Army
I did not see this before and of my friends have already posted about Obammasiah’s Civilian National Security force. If I am not wrong, isn’t that what we have the FBI and police forces around the country for. We also
July 17th, 2008 at 6:03 am
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July 17th, 2008 at 7:28 am
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July 17th, 2008 at 7:59 am
This is interesting, with all of the Obamessiah’s other blather, it’s difficult to filter it all out. So good catch!
In context, I don’t see how he’d be referring to the peace/amerikorps. Unless he was inartfully speaking.
I’m thinking there’s a possibility that he’s talking about creating a national security infrastructure that has intelligence gathering and analysis capabilities? Perhaps he’s unaware that one already exists. I don’t think it’s quite as big as the Army. Yes, I think there’s a possibility that Obama’s that ignorant- but maybe he’ll take credit for NSA/CIA/NRO/etc like Algore’s internets.
I also think he might be suggesting brownshirts.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:37 am
So I guess the National Guard is not enough anymore?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:24 am
B.I.G.,
Good to see you again, my friend!
Inartfully speaking … great phrase! Reminds me of a poster I saw on the tubes last week. Someone Photoshopped Obama’s face onto the body and costume of the character ‘The Artful Dodger’ from a production of ‘Oliver Twist’. Very funny!
July 17th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Would the Civilian Force wear knee high boots and brown shirts?
I’m sure you all have figured it out already. This guy is a mental midget, a puppet and a dangerous puppet at that.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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July 17th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
It is without a doubt that this entire pres - election is a set-up. Whoever the “puppet-masters” may be, it is sure that BHO is their choice. Besides this civilian task force, there has been made mention of a Civil Rights Agency that will be added to the executive branch. The two objectives being to squelch two major components of America : Free Media, and, of course, Religion.
The Chuck Shumer deal, the Mortgage bail-outs, the supposed “add-libbed lines” are all designed to test the American public…Will they react, or won’t they? Much like a toddler the liberals are continuing to find out how far they can go before they are called on it. And they will keep testing, until we grow weary and tired of dealing with them. Then in complete apathy this country will be as Socialistic / Communistic as the Hammer and Sickle ever were.
Stand Now…before it’s too late.
Just Me…
http://www.overlyactiveslacktivism.blogspot.com
July 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Bush wanted the same thing. A “National Security Force” under the direct control of the president. If we are talking about this along with his FISA vote, it isn’t looking too good is it?
I miss Hillary Clinton.
July 17th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
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July 17th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
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July 18th, 2008 at 12:19 am
What in the World is Obama’s “Civilian National Security Force”?
Maybe if you take his comment in context with his entire statement up to that point,
(full unedited speech here —> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw), you’ll find that his comment — “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” — is a figurative summation of all the civilian programs that he has proposed. Start at 15:15 in the video and watch through 16:50 - when he makes the “ominous” “alarming” comment. He, as far as I can tell, is not referring to some new nazi-like super youth force - or whatever alarmist stuff it is that people are thinking.
It was prolly removed from the official copies and trancripts when it was realized that thousands of Americans can listen to the same entire coherent speech and still take pieces of it out-of-context.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:18 am
If civilians taking responsibility for national security is alarming, does that mean that the Second Amendment is also alarming? What are gun rights for, if not to allow civilians to participate in national security? Aren’t we supposed to stop relying on the government for everything?
Also, if private security is so scary, why aren’t we afraid of Blackwater? They’re more well-funded than the military. If the “Civilian National Security Force” is the Nazi Youth, does that make Blackwater the Gestapo?
July 18th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Ranger and Brian -
Glad to see the campaign has finally figured out what their response will be and has sent the email out to the troops. Unfortunately, your explanations are insufficient.
Gun rights are NOT to allow civilians to participate in a government national security program, Ranger. Gun rights are for citizens to be able to defend themselves AGAINST government national security programs. And you seem to be unable to understand the difference between “public” and “private” when one uses the terms together with “civilian” in a sentence. For the record, Blackwater is a PRIVATE civilian firm with no ties to the government in the means by which or the rationale behind its founding. The Nazi Youth, the Gestapo and a proposed civilian national security force, while made up of civilians, is not PRIVATE but GOVERNMENTAL. That’s the difference.
As far as taking Obama’s comments out of context, I’ll repost my response to that same argument upthread.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
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July 19th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Brian “got it” in my opinion.
Blue Muse, are you saying Blackwater is “okay” because it is “Private”? If so, welcome to the Milton Friedman school of “Neo-liberal” economics - which says “privatize everything - INCLUDING THE MILITARY. It’s a curse we now have thanks to Don Rumsfeld & Co. Who do you think ends up with the control of something that Blackwater? People like you and me? No man, it’s the oligarchs. Our democray is slipping away because we are too involved with our sports shows and other diversions.
July 19th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
David,
My comments on Blackwater had nothing to do with their being OK or not. They were intended to demonstrate the difference between “public” and “private” when talking about “civilian”. Blackwater is a “civilian, private” organization. Obama’s proposed “civilian national security force”, even if it is merely an overly excited description of the Peace Corps, is a “civilian, public” group.
National Defense is a constitutional power granted to the federal government. It’s why those of us on the Right tend to be pretty staunch defenders of the US military. It’s also why we support “civilian” control of the military. The two, civilian authority and military power, are to be separate from one another except where they come in contact in the person of the Commander in Chief. Further, the powers and scope of the military are pretty well defined as are the circumstances under which it can be utilized.
None of those constraints would be true of a civilian national security force if it turns out to be something other than the benign ad-lib Obama’s supporters are trying to make it. If it does, you should oppose Obama’s CNSF for the same reasons you don’t like BlackWater. It would be a paramilitary force under the control of the government which they can use as they will. It would be precisely the sort of “civilian, public” force you claim we don’t need.
Brian and others who insist that Obama is merely explaining his youth service programs are too willing to simply accept Obama’s word on the matter. If what he really meant was Americorps and the the Peace Corps, then why won’t he say so? Why have the video and text been scrubbed from so many places? Why isn’t it available even at his own website? Might it have been a trial balloon that failed in spectacular fashion reminiscent of the Hindenburg? I’m not saying it is. I never said that it was. The title of my post is and remains, “What is it?”
If Obama wants my vote, he has to earn it by giving me something to vote for. An integral part of that would be clearly explaining and articulating what it is he intends to do. He has not and refuses to do so. As with his notion of a civilian national security force, absent his involvement in his own affairs, I can only speculate. That’s not my fault, it’s Obama’s.
July 30th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Obama’s “civilian national security force” is nothing more than more government intrusion, and more tax money going to the government.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
it sounds like he’s talking about iraqi civilians replacing our military. What is the context for the quote?
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
i guess his marching orders at bilderberger in chantilly, va were to create this obama-stasi. yes, a kindler, gentler national police force asking for your papers, or we’ll lock you away at some undisclosed prison, for homeland security issues. be afraid ,very afraid. obama showing his true colors? be seeing you.
September 6th, 2008 at 11:43 am
I expect this “Civilian National Security Force” will be made up of inner city youth with no other opportunity. They will be open to learning and following his Ideology. ie; Black Liberation Theology.
Like the pied piper they will blindly follow.
October 18th, 2008 at 10:24 am
In a conversation I had a few months ago with a couple of members of the Nation of Islam I was told that sometime soon after Obama is “elected” he will announce the creation of large “training camps” in a few large urban cities. The kicker was that one of the the gentlemen (???) stated that the instructors at those camps would be from the ranks of Farrakhan’s “Fruit of Islam”( his bodyguards ). My jaw dropped, but I shrugged it off as wild talk…but the fact that Farrakhan has kept a low profile other than calling Obama “The Messiah” does worry me a bit. It is easy to note that Obama stole a lot of his “silver tongued devil” rhetorical speech patterns from that of the late Malcolm X. Farrakhan had a hand in the murder of Malcolm X. Jerimiah Wright ( Obama’s Minister ) is a follower of Louis Farrakan’s black liberation / supremacy mindset. Whoa, the implications are both labyrinthian and conspirational beyond belief. I’m beginning to think Obama may be a real Manchurian Candidate for the ages. God help us all if Obama gets elected. Look at how his “people” have dug into ever corner of “Joe the Plumber” for just asking a question. Obama made a Freudian slip of the tongue and blurted out Marxist communist tripe about “fair share” and “sharing the wealth.”
I suppose this is all the result of the Republicans setting us conservatives up with a over the hill, psychologically shot, faux republican, and non-conservative like John “reach across the aisle” McCain.
Think about it…no one in their right mind would have John McCain, Barack Obama, Joe biden, and Sarah Pahlin as the cream of the American political crop in anything other than a hallucination. Meanwhile George Bush ( and Paulson ) sneaks in under the rader and “nationalizes” nine of our largest banks. Where is Joe McCarthy when we really need him
November 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 am
The problem with most comments here is that the definition of “National Security” differs from what I believe Obama means with what most commentators think. National Security is not only about fighting terrorists, guns, wars and killing threatening people. National Security involves education, health, environment and the well being of all of us living here in the United States.
Do you think we can be a strong nation when our school system is failing, our sick can’t get the care they need or our environment is collapsing in front of us? We can’t speak about National Security without speaking about our Nation (as in national) first.
And one last thing, I would like to see such a program as well funded as the military because I rather see my tax money being spent building and fixing things here instead of being spent to destroy and kill abroad.
November 3rd, 2008 at 10:10 pm
It is when he adlibs that we see the real Obama.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Could Americans Control Direction of “Civilian National Security Force” under Obama?
No one has yet qualified what Obama meant when he stated in July 2008: “We cannot continue to rely on our military to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”
Brief Historical note: Germany under Hitler during hard economic times set up a volunteer neighborhood/community “Civilian National Security Forces” to protect the Homeland. Once established, the civilian force became a “neighbor” Political Enforcement Arm of the Nazi Government. And was subsequently run by the Gestapo.
Could Americans control the direction a civilian national security force might take under Obama? How would local police interact with a “civilian national security force” that is just as powerful as the U.S. Military? Would volunteer civilians have access to Citzens’ private records? Could U.S. private mercenary companies now contracted in Iraq work with a “Civilian National Security Force” on U.S. Soil?
Could Constitutional Fourth Amendment rights be trashed including illegal search and seizure. Could Obama’s “Civilian National Security Force” members handle neighborhood informants and share like the Gestopal did in seized and forfeited assets from Americans.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:33 am
As Ross says in his, “Brief Historical note”. Not only then but in every case as far back as written history the “left” as we call socialist, communist, dictators, etc. have used this ruse to control the population with seemingly friendly sounding patriotic groups. Our forefathers were well aware of such things and tried to build safeguards for the people against government tyranny. After the war of separation between the states (improperly called a civil war, as no one was trying to take over the government) the Posse Comitatus Act came into being. Google it. But now it is has been eroded so that its intended purpose is in question. Who eroded it? Congress. Congress can dream up and pass just about any law they want and if the Pres signs it, it becomes the law of the land until or if overturned by the courts. Therein are the two key words, congress and courts. Congress is now way left and the new Pres will get to select many new judges including leftist Supreme Court Justices, of course they will be ratified by the leftist congress. Scary.
November 7th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Obama’s National Security Force = GUESTAPO
November 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Having read the whole speech, I’m still baffled. The phrase “national security” has a particular meaning in political context, especially when invoked in concert with the military. Since he used that phrase without clarifying how his interpretation of “national security” is any different from the standard use of the phrase, and since none of his supporters can point to a consistent pattern of him using the phrase with a different meaning, we are left to assume that he is using the standard interpretation of the phrase in political context.
This is what has people concerned.
Is he just bad at ad-libbing, as the party line goes?
If so, he’s worse at it than Bush.
Does he honestly not know that CIA/NSA/NRO/DHS/Customs/Marshals/Park Service/etc. etc. etc. aren’t the military? If so, he’s honestly more stupid than Bush was reputed to be.
Or does he mean what he said, and wants to create a grassroots militia like that other grassroots national security force that had those hot Hugo Boss suits?
Well, the man’s President, and still no clarification.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
@Irinami -
You may be on to something with the observation that “… he’s honestly more stupid than Bush was reputed to be.”
November 7th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
[…] It’s not just Joe the Plumber. Remember Barbara West, the Florida anchor who dared asked Joe Biden tough questions? Her station was blacklisted. Three newspapers who endorsed John McCain had their political reporters thrown off the Obama press plane (see The Washington Times, here). That’s before he was elected! But surely there are bigger fish to fry — perhaps IRS and government intimidation of churches and pastors? By the way, what’s with the 250,000 member security force Senator Obama promised? (See Blue Collar Muse,… […]
November 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
[…] The Blue Collar Muse blog commented, “The questions are legion and the implications of such an organization are staggering! What would it do? According to the title, it’s a civilian force so how would it go about discharging ‘national security’ issues? What are the Constitutional implications for such a group? How is this to be paid. … The statement was made in the context of youth service. Is this an organization for just the youth or are adults going to participate? How does one get away from the specter of other such ‘youth’ organizations from Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union when talking about it?” […]
November 9th, 2008 at 8:50 am
I suspect that the Puppet Obama’s “Civilian National Security Force” is part of a plan to undermine the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. He will define the CNSF as a “militia” and push through a law that allows only CNSF members to own firearms. This, of course, after his new Supreme Court appointees have overturned DC vs. Heller to interpret the 2nd Amendment as not being an individual right.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I think people are missing an important part here. This really isn’t an army or serving Obama type program. Obama doesn’t want all kids to serve. As stated on the wesite its the kids in the “underserved schools” This is just another excuse to give a hand out to the poor kids. Will people in rich or kids in better schools get to earn 4,000$ worth of schooling? From what i see it says kids in “underserved schools”, it should say all kids in any type of school.
November 9th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Everybody is worried about the constitution and freedoms, well this isn’t about that and i don’t even think its for most kids. Its an easy way for the poor kids only to get money, Obama dont care about kids with money.
November 9th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
@Fred #52 -
Good observation … yet another way Obama isn’t going to be the President for all of America … just his portion. Meanwhile so many are lining up proclaiming we must all rally behind him for Unity’s sake.
Our capacity for self-immolation knows no bounds …
November 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I agree with ar077 # 51. When I heard Obama talk about this civilian corps my first thought was that he would use this to ban guns from the general population. A differenet interpretation by the Supreme Court could occur after some new Obama appointees. I see this civilian group being similar to the kids in that video touting how Obama inspired them. They were marching in a military fashion.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:09 am
@Carol #55 -
I cannot see how a civilian corps tasked with enforcing a gun ban upon the general population could possibly require “a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
I imagine that Obama has a similar vision for the members of this group, marching in cadence praising him. But stop and think…what happens to the ones who don’t praise him or are unwilling to be re-educated? I don’t have the answer; though the alleged planned extermination of 25 million Americans by Weather Underground is a chilling thought.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Rightwing paranoia. Dontcha just love it? In his speech Obama pledged that enhanced public service and active citizenship would be a central cause of his presidency. Regarding the “civilian national security force” in the speech, Obama was referring to a proposal for a civilian reserve corps that could handle *foreign* postwar reconstruction efforts such as rebuilding infrastructure — an idea endorsed by the Bush administration.
The comments by Rep. Broun that, based on this speech, Obama is planning a Marxist dictatorship and actually Compares Obama to Hitler (!) are preposterous, delusional and just plain disgusting and deserves at least a public censure.
The speech is easily found online. Read it.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:22 am
LETS HOPE THAT THE FULL MIGHT OF THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES DESTROYS ANY CIVILIAN ARMY THAT ATTEMPTS TO TAKE AWAY EVEN ONE AMERICANS RIGHT TO LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. MILLIONS OF OUR FOREFATHERS HAVE SHED THEIR BLOOD TO PRESERVE OUR FREEDOM. THE BIBLE PREDICTED THAT IN THE LAST DAYS EVEN THE ELECT SHALL BE FOOLED. ON NOVEMBER FOURTH 2008 THEY WERE FOOLED, FOR THEY CHOSE SATAN OVER CHRIST. THE BIBLE IS TRUE. GOD TOLD SAMUEL, ”I KNEW YOU WHEN YOU WERE YET IN THE WOMB AND YOU WERE MY MARVELOUS WORK OF WONDER”. JOHN MC CAIN BELIEVED GOD, OBAMA SUPPORTS LATE TERM ABORTION, FOR HIS LOYALTY IS TO SATAN, AS IS HIS REVEREND WRIGHT. 95 PERCENT OF CHRISTIAN AFRICAN AMERICANS SWORE THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO SATAN WHEN THEY VOTED FOR THE DEMONIC AND MURDEROUS BARACK OBAMA. IN THE EYES OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ISSAC, AND JACOB ABORTION IS MURDER. EVEN MILLIONS OS JEWS CHOSE THE DEMONIC AND SATANIC OBAMA. EVEN THE ELECT JEWS WORSHIPPED THE GRAVEN IMAGE OF OBAMAS SMILE. FOOLS, OBAMA SAID WITH HIS OWN WORDS, ” THEY CLING TO THEIR GUNS AND RELIGION”. FOOLS DONT YOU REALIZE THAT WHEN OBAMA SAID ”THEIR RELIGION” ,HE MEANT THEIR GOD.OBAMAS PASTOR FOR 20 YEARS SPEWED EVIL FROM THE BOWELS OF HELL AND DAMMED OUR COUNTRY. MILLIONS OF AMERICAND DIED TO STOP HITLER, AND TO PRESEVE FREEDOM , AND WE ELECT A PRESIDENT THAT ; IS NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, BELIEVES IN LATE TERM ABORTION, WANTS TO BUILD A CIVILIAN ARMY WHICH IS AS POWERFULL AS OUR EXISTING ARMED FORCES. THIS SOUNDS LIKE ADOLF HITLER TO .ME HE SAID THESE THINGS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED BY JEWS AND BLACK AMERICANS THAT SOLD OUT TO SATAN AND HIS ANGELS, THE LIKES OF WHICH INCLUDE; WILLIAM AIRES, REVEREND WRIGHT AND OPRA WINFREY. I BELIEVE JESSE JACKSON, AND AL SHARPTON ARE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING CHRIST, BUT THEY WERE BOTH FOOLED BY THE ILLUSTRIOUS IMPOSTER THAT THE NEW WORLD ORDER HAS CHOSEN TO BRING FORTH THE DOMINION OF THE ANTI CHRIST HERE IN THE USA.OBAMAS GOAL WILL BE TO CHANGE OUR CONSTITUTION IN ORDER TO ABOLISH; FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THE RIGHT TO BEAR FIRE ARMS, THE RIGHT TO THE PURSUIT OF LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, AND MOST OF ALL FREEDOM OF RELIGION SHALL BE ABOLISHED. AFTER ALL BARRACK OBAMA SAID , ” THEY CLING TO THEIR GUNS AND RELIGION”. PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA AND HIS LEGIONS OF SATANIC EVIL WILL ATTEMPT TO PREVAIL OVER THE FORCES OF RIGHTOUSNESS AND HOLLINESS AND GOODNESS. BUT I FEAR THAT THE ELECT HAVING BEEN FOLLED SHALL JOIN FORCES WITH THE ILLUSTRIOUS ANTI CHRIST ”OBAMA”,AND BY THE TIME WE HAVE ALL ENSNARED BY HIS CIVILIAN ARMY IT WILL BE TOO LATE. IF YOU THINK THAT ALL THIS SOUNDS CRAZY TELL HOW IS IT THAT EVEN ONE CHRISTIAN , EVEN ONE, COULD VOTE FOR OBAMA AND AGAINST MC CAIN AND PALIN , WHEN MC CAIN AND PALIN ARE BOTH 100 PERCENT AGAINST THE MURDERING OF MILLIONS OF ABORTED CHILDREN. WE HAVE LOST OUR FAITH IN THE ;RIGHTOUSNESS , OMNIPOTENCE, OMNIPRESENCE, OMNICIENCE OF GOD. THOSE THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA SOLD OUT TO THE DEVIL. THE DEVIL WARNED YOU THAT HE WAS AGAINST GOD, BUT YOU CHOSE SATAN. ”IN THE LAST DAYS EVEN THE ELECT SHALL BE FOOLED, FOR THEY WILL HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS, BUT DENY THE POWER THEREIN.” GOD IS MOCKED ON TELEVISION BY THE LIKES OF ATHEISTIC HOMOSEXUALS LIKE BILL MAHRS, YET I FEAR THAT THE DAY IS COMING SOON WHEN OUR NATION SHALL BE DESTROYED AS WAS SODOM AND GOMMORAH. PEOPLE FEAR THAT OBAMA IS A MARXIST. I SAY THAT OBAMA IS A SATAN WORSHIPER. HIS PASTOR THE REVEREND WRIGHT HAD NO IDEAH THAT HIS STAR PUPIL BARRACK HUSSIAN OBAMA WOULD SOMEDAY ATTEMPT TO RAISE THE KINGDOM OF LUCIFER AGAINST OUR NATION.OUR NATION THAT ONCE SANG ” GOD BLESS AMERICA THE LAND THAT I LOVE”. OBAMA DID NOT FOOL ME FOR ONE SECOND. THE MOMENT THAT I KNEW THAT OBAMA WAS PRO ABORTION THE HOLLY SPIRIT OF THE LIVING CHRIST THAT LIVES IN THE SOUL OF THIS JEW FOR JESUS TESTIFIED TO ME THAT OBAMA IS AN ANTI CHRIST. CHRISTIANS GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY THAT GOD WILL GIVE YOU THE STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO FIGHT FOR THE CAUSE OF ; CHRIST, AND FREEDOM, AND PRAY THAT GOD OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH. BLACK AMERICAN CHRISTIANS LIFT YOUR HANDS TO THE LORD JESUS. DONT LET SATAN DECIEVE YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT CHRISTIANITY IS RELIGION OF THE SLAVEMASTERS OF YOUR FOREFATHERS. JESUS CHRIST DID NOT HAVE TO DIE ON THE CROSS. HIS WORD RAISED LAZERETH FROM THE DEAD, MADE THE BLIND SEE , CLEANSED THE WOMAN WITH LEPROSY. JESUS COULD HAVE SPOKEN AND THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED. JESUS CAME TO SACRIFICE HIS LIFE FOR US,BLACK WHITE, YELLOW, ALL OF GODS CHILDREN, HALLELUYA. DONT BE TRICKED BY SATAN. I WAS A JEW UNTIL IWAS 21 YEARS OLD. ONE DAY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT JESUS ACTUALLY APPEARED TO ME. HE WAS A GLOWING FIGURE CLOTHED IN A WHITE ROBE THAT WAS FLOWING LIKE A WHITE SMOKE THAT SEEMED TO BE A MIST AS IT TOUCHED THE GROUND I BRIEFLY LOOKED AT HIS FACE, BUT THEN A VOICE WITHIN ME TOLD ME NOT TO LOOK AT FACE OF THE LORD. BUT I WILL NEVER THE FORGET THE LOOK UPON JESUS FACE. A LOOK OF PURE PEACE, AND OF ALL KNOWING. I TOLD MY FRIENDS BACK AT COLLEGE THAT JESUS CAME TO ME. AND ONE OF MY FRIENDS BELIEVED ME AND BECAME PASTOR. MY PASTOR FRIEND IS WHITE AND HIS WIFE IS BLACK. I PRAY THAT I AM WRONG ABOUT OBAMA. PRAY WITH ME.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Why do people feel compelled to reinterpret what Barak says? I believe that he means exactly what he said - watch your back the Gestapo is coming!
November 11th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
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November 13th, 2008 at 4:13 am
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November 13th, 2008 at 5:20 am
Obama and his former Marxist handlers and financiers know that our U.S. military is mostly conservative and would refuse to be any part of any attempt to overthrow our Republic by force. To counter that threat he proposed a counter force reporting to only himself. Remember Hitler’s Brown Shirts, Hitler Youth Organization and especially the armed, trained, ruthless and deadly SS Gestapo of Nazi Germany? The Nazi Police State was to ensure that everybody did as they were told - or paid the price. The Nazi Police were controlled by Heinrich Himmler and his feared secret police - the Gestapo - did as it pleased in Nazi Germany. Children’s loyalty could be developed with a policy of indoctrination via education and the Hitler Youth movement. All other axis dictators too had similar para-military forces devoted to their dictator. Beware the coming storm in America!!!
November 13th, 2008 at 11:41 am
[…] President-elect Obama a Marxist. He referred to a speech Obama made in Colorado in July, in which then-candidate Obama said: “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security […]
November 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
There are two things that I need to point out.
One, all these 18-25 year old kids that voted for Obama are going to be the first ones to get picked for this farce. So all of you that are of that age right now, just remember that your kids and your grandkids are going to be totally screwed because you voted for Obama. You’ll be the one to have to explain why you made such a stupid move to your offspring.
Two, all of this involuntary servitude without pay is unconstitutional. Even though the majority of Americans have no idea what is in the Constitution, the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution illegalizes slavery.
November 13th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
I take it the President elect is not familiar with the 13th amendment of the Constitution of the United States…..
November 14th, 2008 at 4:57 am
What’s next? Mandatory prayer five times a day, and if we don’t do it, the youth army will be trained to execute us?
November 15th, 2008 at 6:06 am
[…] The Blue Collar Muse blog commented, “The questions are legion and the implications of such an organization are staggering! What would it do? According to the title, it’s a civilian force so how would it go about discharging ‘national security’ issues? What are the Constitutional implications for such a group? How is this to be paid. … The statement was made in the context of youth service. Is this an organization for just the youth or are adults going to participate? How does one get away from the specter of other such ‘youth’ organizations from Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union when talking about it?” […]
December 23rd, 2008 at 12:58 am
After reading these comments, I watched the video a couple of times. As a conservative white male police officer who voted and campaigned for McCain, I would like to offer my opinion. The military cannot, with severe exceptions, act as a police force withing the USA. Crime is completely out of control in many areas. Civilian police officers, sheriffs, state police, etc., are woefully underpaid in many areas (especially rural), lack real good practical training, and are having a hard time in getting good equipment.
I believe Obama is talking about increasing the strength of the civilian police agencies. Clinton had this idea in the 90’s and it turned out to be a total joke for the way he went about it. I am not paranoid as many are, but I am not naive either. I just do not see Obama trying to pull off a police state and have anyone to begin to accept it (especially his biggest supporters). A few have posted comments such as polish for jack-boots and the SS. The people I fear are the ones who are out there wearing swastikas, jack-boots, and doing the “sig-heil” in honor of Hitler.
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 pm
2 words not spoken since Hitler destroyed Europe: “Brown Shirts.”
January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
As one of the youth that would be enlisted into the youth training that Rahm Emanuel is planning, I must say I am extremely worried and scared. Way to take a leaf from Hitler Youth there Rahm.
January 18th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I think he meant that he will give Americorps and the Peace Corps a more comparable budget to the military because he believes in the modern idea of creating national security i.e. people in other countries will be less of a threat if they have a decent standard of living. He mentions that this is the security creating idea in which he believes, in this speech: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N1knWWGQUhY&feature=related, he also isn’t stupid enough to think that America doesn’t need his armed forces… an armed forces that could easily take on any secret army, if beyond the realms of possibility one was created… so stop worrying!
February 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am
watch for united nations peacekeepers
March 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
I am hoping that it is the choice of the people to join or not; I think that is all that matters here. We can’t take the right of the people to do as they please. I wonder if this will fall in with his decision to have every body age 18-24 to join basic training. What is up with that? That’s taking the freedom of choice from us as well.
April 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
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June 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
U ignorant sheep who think anyone who disagrees with Obamination and his sellout ways are Right Wingers is proof u fools watch too much propaganda tv. It’s about Americans not Right vs Left. The govt isn’t loyal to the citizens, they are loyal to the bankers and multinational corporations. The establishment keeps the Right vs Left thing going because they control both parties u freaking nitwits. LEARN UP U IGNORANT FU$KING SHEEP.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:22 am
[…] The Blue Collar Muse blog commented, “The questions are legion and the implications of such an organization are staggering! What would it do? According to the title, it’s a civilian force so how would it go about discharging ‘national security’ issues? What are the Constitutional implications for such a group? How is this to be paid. … The statement was made in the context of youth service. Is this an organization for just the youth or are adults going to participate? How does one get away from the specter of other such ‘youth’ organizations from Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union when talking about it?” […]
July 20th, 2009 at 3:12 am
If you had bothered to view the entire speech instead of cherry picking the sentence or two that you cite you would have come to the conclusion that he wasn’t talking about a military force but about a national security force of volunteer groups like the Peace Corps, veterans groups, Americorp who would band together to volunteer in American communities and mentor to the less fortunate
Here’s the speech
Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.
People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.
We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.
This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.
July 28th, 2009 at 6:11 am
@Norris Hall -
Perhaps you should take your own advice.
The man said we need a “civilian national security force”. That is a very specific phrase. That is the crux of everyone’s curiosity. He has a “national security advisor”. Does that person advise him on the status of the Peace Corps’ activity around the world? We have a National Security Agency that works on intelligence gathering. Are you suggesting that they are spooking for AmeriCorps?
If the man is as intelligent as you all believe that he is, how could he have made the gaffe you need him to have made to get away with calling this “just about the Peace Corps and volunteerism”?
You are the ignorant one here, my friend. I did read the entire speech. And your Dear Leader has never explained what he meant.
August 5th, 2009 at 9:32 am
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August 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Get the facts:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obama_planning_a_gestapo-like_civilian_national.html
December 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
This brings up images of the brown shirts in Hitler’s Germany. I suspect Obama’s motives are very similar. Their job would be to round up everyone who does not agree with him and run them through the showers at Aushwitz west, somewhere in Wisconsin. This is the scariest and most insidious idea ever put forth by an American president. If he wants a civil war, all he has to do is give a half million blacks AK47’s and he will certainly have one. This guy sounds just like Hitler, Idi Amin, Stalin and Mao all wrapped up in one.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:45 am
So he wants to disarm the public of all guns except bolt action and pump action guns, but at the same time he wants a national civilian force that is as well trained and as well funded as the military? How can this make sense? Oh yeah, Hiter’s brown shirts that turned into the s.s. and killed over 4 million jews. Who is he going to kill is what i want to know.