For the past few years, Cornell has had a “ClubFest” at the beginning of the fall semester for new students to learn about the 300+ student organizations we have on campus.
I manned an informative table for our campus pro-life group for about 3 hours today and only came close to chucking our free candy at one person. The conversation went something like this:
Guy: What side of the issue are you on?
Me: (looking at the fetal models and all our pro-life literature) We’re pro-life.
Guy: So, you’re anti-abortion?
Me: Well, we believe that abortion hurts women and kills their children and that women have better options during an unexpected pregnancy.
Guy: Well… I’m against you guys. I mean, if I get a girl pregnant, I want to get rid of that thing.
Exactly. Abortion is all about a woman’s right, eh? Of course it’s not about guys refusing to take responsibility for their irresponsible sperm distribution. It’s not about them getting off scot-free and leaving the woman to clean up the mess.
Not at all.
He’s a candidate for forced sterlisation. GRRRR.
I like your line regarding “irresponsible sperm distribution.” So true.
Must say, you have me beat. I was all upset about some girl (president of ACS) who walked over to the Federalist Society table and started calling me a fascist. I tried to explain the subtle distinction between fascism (complete governmental control of all aspects of life) and libertarianism (minimal governmental control), but it was lost upon Miss Tolerant. She then berated me for baking cookies (Ghirardelli’s, from scratch), because “Only the Epicurean Society can have cookies.” I informed Miss Tolerant that, as the past President and current secretary of the aforementioned organisation, I was able to bake cookies. Apparently, she doesn’t like the fact tha conservative women are better in the kitchen than liberal women.
Some guy had been given an ACS booklet with the Declaration of Independence, Gettysburg Address, and Constitution (yes, in that order). We began marking it up - nothing that the Declaration, with all of that “God” language, violates the Establishment Clause, and, according to the ACS, the Fifth Amendment only applies if you aren’t a fetus. Miss Tolerant became quite upset at us, telling us that we had no right to take the literature. I said that someone gave it to us; it was akin to a Fourth Amendment search and seizure, whereby the police may not take the items themselves but may receive them from other people.
Miss Tolerant didn’t like that answer. She then started berating me for the fetus remark, saying, “It says ‘people,’ and fetuses aren’t people.”
me: “THey are human, as the progeny of two humans is always a human.
Miss Open-Minded: “But they aren’t people.”
Me: “Humans but not people… [pause] Are you aware that your rationale has been used to deny basic civil liberties to blacks and women for centuries?”
Miss Civil Rights: “Yes, and they were WRONG. You are also WRONG.”
If it were possible, my head would have exploded.
“I’m against you guys. I mean, if I get a girl pregnant, I want to get rid of that thing.”
Notice the verbiage that thing. At least slave owners were often willing to admit that those they enslaved were people, they were just not as good or honest as white folks (their ideas, not mine). Feminists won’t even admit that an unborn child is anything more than a parasite- to be gotten rid of by any means necessary.
And this is the Zenith of women’s rights? Indeed, Isaiah was right, woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.
Wow, you only wanted to chuck your free candy at him. I’m impressed.
Bridget - Aren’t liberals just so smart? At ClubFest today, this lesbian pro-abortion girl was conveniently tabling right across the aisle from me at the “Haven” table (for the LGBTQ crowd). When she wasn’t sending death glares in my direction, she was convincing little freshmen to come sign up for our email list so they could spy. It’s like she really thinks I can’t see, let alone hear. It’s flattering, really, how they think our innocent little pro-life group is worth spying on.
John - You make such a good point about the verse in Isaiah. Who would have ever thought that brutally killing unborn children or selectively killing off the elderly and disabled would actually be considered compassionate? It’s so twisted… like Bridget said, if it were possible, this entire issue would make my head explode.
Oh, mom, I wanted to do much worse than chuck the candy at him, but I was behind a table and would have had to walk down 4 more tables to get around to, um… cause physical damage. Plus, I firmly believe that a pack of Smarties thrown firmly in the eye could have inflicted a sufficient amount of pain for being such a dumb… donkey.
Tieki,
Darwinism. These are the people aborting themselves out of existence. (Lesbian pro-abort: that’s a double whammy in the “My genes are never getting passed along” category. By the way, why do lesbians care about abortion???)
I’ve heard people say (Miss Tolerant ACS President among them) that abortion is more moral than childbearing. Frankly, I don’t see how that could be the case: is it really more moral to slaughter the most vulnerable among us? to dismember those whose parents don’t want them? to kill children because women don’t particularly want to bear the children of the men they screw?
John,
It’s not even a parasite. It’s a “two-inch long thing that should not have the rights of a living, breathing, thinking woman.” Would love to see what they think should happen to them if they are passed out drunk and functioning at the level of a fetus. Somehow, I don’t think they would approve of slaughter, rape, or the like.
~Fascist Cookie-Baker*
*She still ate my (freakin awesome) cookies, though. As I’ve said, I can get any man I want (or anyone I want, all things considered) into my kitchen. Liberals survive on McDonald’s and then sue when it makes them fat. Conservative ladies know how to make a good meal.
My how far the feminist movement has gone. It used to be about women being able to vote. It progressed (or should I say digressed) to women being able to not have to worry about the “side-effects” of raging hormones, and now it has gone even further to men wanting the right to demand an abortion for their “current partner?”
Scott,
When you put “side effects” in quotes, are you meaning to imply that they don’t exist? Some of my friends literally cannot function for a day or two every month; they convulse, sweat, and throw up. Think of it like being kicked in the balls for 48 hours straight.
That said, I completely agree with everything else you said.
Dear Fascist Cookie Baker,
We like cookies.
Love your friends in WY
I’ll keep that in mind. I have to (or rather, volunteered to) make another batch on Tuesday night for Wednesday’s undergrad activities fair. (Law students already had theirs, but we’re recruiting them young.)
Bridget - I’ve always wondered the same about lesbians and abortion. This particular girl I’m talking about flips out at everything we do, so I wonder if she might be post-abortive or close to someone who is.
I also love the argument that it is more moral to abort than bear a child. I was always under the impression that it would be more moral to end the poverty that makes women think they can’t afford to bear children, to make campuses more family friendly for the college student that thinks it would be impossible to be pregnant or parenting on campus, to fight harder against domestic violence, to educate women about the actual harms of abortion to their minds and bodies (not to mention their child’s), to promote the alternative of adoption as a truly loving option for the mother, child, and adoptive parents, and to value all individuals regardless of their “disability” if they have one. Did I miss any of the so-called reasons abortions are necessary?
Scott - I’m not exactly sure what you mean when you’re talking about “side-effects” of raging hormones. I think Bridget interpreted it as PMS, but on second glance, I think you may have meant pregnancy? If she was right, I agree with her
and if you’re talking about pregnancy, you’re absolutely right!
Finally, I like cookies as well. Now off I run to another meeting!
In Scott’s defense (bless his heart)
I think by side effects of raging hormones, he is referring to unwanted pregnancies. Lol! Let’s see if he comes back or leaves well enough lie. 
Man, a pro-life pro-abstinence guy takes a beating from the women when he is being his expressive self
My Wyoming lady friends (don’t misinterpret that either 
) are correct when they interpreted the side effect statement as pregnancy (particularly the unwanted variety).
I was not intending to imply that side effects from hormones don’t exist (whether they pregnancy or things that happen just because that’s the function of the female body).
I wouldn’t even begin to touch the PMS issue for precisely the same reason I don’t watch America’s Funniest Videos anymore; 90% or more of the videos feature guys getting kicked, punched, bit by dogs, etc… in particular areas of their bodies.
Meanwhile I gotta go do laundry. And while we’re on the subject, I like cookies too!
What a great quote (in an awful way) - you’d think that would be the kind of thing to make the feminists re-think their views.
Re. lesbians and abortion - you know what is sick? One of the gay commenters on my blog mentioned offline how often he donated at lesbian sperm banks. Oh, great, deliberately bringing kids into the world with lesbian parents. But they aren’t being selfish, of course.
Scott,
Mea culpa! I thought you meant something else.
Tieki,
I really do love the Feminists for Life stance: abortion hurts women and is a sign that we are failing people.
Now, if we want to take the “more moral” stance to its logical conclusion, we would murder people in war zones because it is “more moral,” or kill amputees, because it’s “more moral,” or mass execute the children of crack addicts, or the elderly (wait, let’s not give them any ideas). As you said so brilliantly once, “Killing people is stupid.”
I think I just found my next “debunking” myth.
Forget forced sterilization. I’d go for the whole castration bit for him. Wow, what he must think of the girl(s) he beds.
It’s almost too much for me to even feel sorry about him.
Matthew - I’m with you 100% on that. I definitely don’t feel sorry for him, but I do feel sorry for his girlfriend(s)/future wife. What a terrible person to be in any sort of relationship with.
So many thoughts….
The guy at the table must be the product of two truly wonderful parents.
I was arguing about abortion over at Blue Collar Muse with someone who posed the idea of being “unwillingly pregnant,” and I had to point out that she neglected to mention that rape is the only way a woman can become unwillingly pregnant. Even in the case of rape, the punishment (and I am for the death penalty here) should be exacted upon the rapist, not the child.
I remember a guy on Laura Ingraham a few months ago who thought the ideal population for the world’s eco-system was a few billion less than current population. So, some of these nuts, might think the moral thing to do is to kill billions of people to lessen the burden on the planet.
I’ve dated jerks who have thought the same thing. I’ve refused to sleep with them, stating concerns about pregnancy. One guy responded, completely heartlessly, “Why wouldn’t you just get an abortion?”
Yeah, I’m going to kill my child because some prat can’t be in a relationship without getting laid.
Tieki — don’t you know good Comment of the Week submissions when you see them?
Thanks, Tammi - but twice in a week? Man, law school must be bringing out my snark.
Heck yes Bridget! Let the snarkiness fly.