If you haven’t discovered the new online political newspaper “Politicker Nevada” yet, do yourself a favor and surf on over and add it to your list of favorite places. And while there, make sure to read the column titled “Ron Paul Circus” by “Wally Edge” concerning the recent Nevada GOP convention in Reno.
There are a number of “Politicker” e-newspapers in a number of states. And at each of them, I believe, there is a reporter dubbed “Wally Edge” who reports anonymously on the state’s political scene. In this report, Wally Edge quotes a GOP insider describing what transpired at the convention, noting that it started off great. However, this person notes that “a small minority of Ron Paul delegates somehow thought this was a UFC match rather than a state convention.”
“They fed off of Mike Weber who always tries to rile things up but this time had a group of people willing to follow blindly,” the insider continued. “The whole process is a shame because it unfairly lumps normal Ron Paul supporters in with a small few who fail to bathe, treat others with respect, follow rules, understand politics or care about the results of their actions. What should have been a great day…turned into an embarrassment for anyone who can complete a sentence and supports Ron Paul. What a shame.”
Took the words right out of my mouth. Heck, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
In any event, Wally Edge continued to investigate the convention fiasco and came across the brouhaha that has developed between myself and Ron Paul operative Jeff Greenspan. Regarding the exchanges the Arizona Agitator and I have had on my Muth’s Truths blog, Wally Edge writes that he “honestly did not believe that any political operative would be so stupid as to actually put the things into an e-mail that” Greenspan has posted on my blog.
So he contacted Greenspan directly.
Wally Edge reports that he and Greenspan “had exchanged lengthy and civil e-mails until I asked him about the dust-up with Muth. All of a sudden Mr. Greenspan turned from passionate defender of Dr. Paul and the Constitution into the green-pea soup spewing demon from The Exorcist.”
Yep, that’s Jeff Greenspan all right. But it gets worse. Get a load of what Greenspan actually wrote to Wally Edge shortly thereafter:
“By the way. Wally Edge = Chuck Muth. Hi Chuck. Only you can come up with ‘this is taking on a life of its own.’ You did it on your blog. What a coward going ‘undercover.’ Nice try.”
Yep, you read that correctly. Apparently the tin-foil antenna on Greenspan’s headgear went off and this paranoid conspiracy fruitcake suddenly came to the conclusion that *I* am the anonymous “Wally Edge” and was trying to set him up. Talk about a wingnut.
Then again, maybe I AM Wally Edge. Only The Shadow knows for sure (cue the Twilight Zone theme music: do-do-do-do, do-do-do-do…).
Wally Edge (or I) concludes that Greenspan’s response “erased any doubt in my mind as to whether Mr. Greenspan is capable of putting stupid, paranoid, conspiracy-crazy things in writing. His open and unabashed megalomania is amazing…”
You may remember a few days ago I reprinted an email from someone who worked with Jeff Greenspan in the past. And that person said ol’ Jeff was “a total conspiranoid. If there is a whacked-out idea, he believes it.” That person also said Greenspan “has acceptable people skills only as long as you agree with him. But if you disagree, you become the devil incarnate.”
Based on my experience with Greenspan, and now Wally Edge’s experience with Greenspan (unless he and I ARE one and the same), I’d say that initial assessment is, in the immortal words of Mona Lisa Vito in My Cousin Vinny, “dead-on balls accurate.”
Oh, and there’s more coming. A LOT more. If you think Greenspan came unglued on me at Muth’s Truths, wait’ll you read more of what he wrote to Wally Edge. Which, of course, raises the question of how I know what Jeff wrote to Wally. AM I really Wally…or did Wally share with me Jeff’s on-the-record email rantings? Good Lord, that’s enough to make a paranoid’s head explode!
But that’s it for today. The ol’ home-school school bell is ringing and today’s lesson for my kids is “The Use of Spies” from Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War” - with particular focus on “covert operations.” Shhhhh.
Posted on May 8th, 2008 by Chuck Muth
Filed under: Nevada
Chuckie said: “I reprinted an email from someone who worked with Jeff Greenspan in the past.”
No you didn’t. That’s a lie. Neither have you demonstrated otherwise, nor can you!
I have never come “unglued” with you and have always been perfectly honest and open.
Chuckie, no matter how hard you try to spin it, there’s nothing there but your own hot air.
Post the evidence Chuck. (You’ve got none.)
Facts + evidence vs. Muth’s “Truths”
Jeff, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you. I’ve all but begged you to stop making such a fool of yourself, but you just insist on proving to everyone that you’re a few fries short of a Happy Meal. If you don’t think you’ve come unglued, then you’re in serious denial. Get help, buddy.
I don’t need to lie about any of this. YOU said you broke a deal you had with the party folks. But you also say you only broke the deal because you say “certain parties” were going to break the deal first. But you never name the “certain parties,” nor do you provide any proof or evidence that those “certain parties” were prepared to break the deal. And you say you have a copy of the Nominating Committee list but refuse to publish it.
You have been anything BUT open and honest, Jeff. Rather, all you’ve really been is a jackass. And I mean that in a good Christian way.
First of all, not only do I not want your pity, but you can go stuff it.
I never said I broke a deal nor can you demonstrate that I did. Nor have you.
Once again, Chuck, no one cares about your OPINION (being as uninformed and fantasy based as it is). Present the FACTS.
Jeff, allow me to let you hang yourself with your own words yet again. It was YOU who wrote these EXACT words…
That’s not my “opinion.” Those are your own words. And that’s a fact. You admit, in your own words, that you broke the deal. Case closed. You lose.
OK, Chuckie. How is being completely open and honest about trying to work out a plan, breaking a plan? It’s not.
How is putting a contingency plan into action when someone else breaks a plan, breaking a plan?
I see. You think that 600 people should have showed up to get steamrolled?
Chuck, are you daft?
Apparently.
Once again, no matter how hard you try to spin it, there’s nothing there but your own hot air. You’re trying real hard, yet failing again. I’m sure it’s an experience you’re familiar with - at least according to emails I have from people who used to work with you.
Jeff, you have never been open or honest about this mess you helped cause. You have never answered the basic, underlying questions. I’ll pose them again because I can understand how confused you must be with all the different stories you keep concocting:
1.) Did you make a deal with the party to accept four Ron Paul delegate slots on a “unity” slate of candidates to be presented to the convention delegates for an up-or-down vote?
2.) If so, who exactly did you make that deal with?
3.) You claim “certain parties” on the Nominating Committee were prepared to break that deal? Specifically, since you’re the one making the accusation, who are these “certain parties” and exactly what did they do or say to lead you to believe they were going to break their deal with you?
You claim you have a copy of the official list of names of the people who were going to be on the official slate of delegates to be presented to the convention. If so, post it/release it. Since everyone knows that fake delegate slates were distributed at the convention, we’d all like to know if you simply fell for the hoax or have a true and authentic list from the Nominations Committee.
As has been said here ad nauseum, Jeff, put up or shut up.
1. Sure tried.
2. I’m not going to implicate your friend and amorous interest no matter how hard you try. Short answer: nominating committee.
3. It was not an accusation, it was an explanation of the facts. Because, if the deal were reaffirmed, there would be no reason to execute a contingency, obviously, Chuckie, and you know it.
4. What proves all of this is the nominating committees list which you refuse to do the work to obtain, nor will I do the work for you due to your laze, especially given how nasty you have been.
Again, Chuck, there’s nothing there no matter how hard you try to spin it, but your own hot air.
You can stop boring the blogoshpere with your irrationality and wild accusations at anytime.
Or just provide the facts.
Facts + Evidence vs. “Muth’s Truths”
Still dancing and spinning, I see.
OK, now you’ve changed your story yet again. Now you’re again saying you did have a deal. But now you’re also again clouding the water by inferring the deal was with Sue Lowden, before again saying it was with one or more unnamed members of the nominating committee. And your claim that the nominating committee broke your deal isn’t an explanation, it’s a accusation. And yet you continue to obfuscate and refuse to provide any proof.
YOU claim the proof is in the list. YOU claim you have the list. I don’t. Never have. So the ball remains in your court, Jeff. Put up or shut up.
Slap fight!!!
Chuck,
Thanks for the mention. The next installment of the “Ron Paul Circus” is slated to go up later today. Keep in touch as much, much more is on the way on our end.
And keep up the good work. Don’t let this guy bully you into silence - his tactics won’t work on me, and I’m glad to see they aren’t working on you.
Wally
Wally is a collection of writers who use the name on many blogs around the US. The name predates the Nevada edition of Policker.
I started asking this very question about 8 months ago when the blog appeared.
By the way, I think the Paul people have an absolutely legit beef.
I’d be VERY pissed if my Party tried that crap. It is an insult to the democratic process and the very people who showed up.
It’s funny, but since the Democratic Party REQUIRES open signed ballots and open meeting at every level, they often look unorganized and raucus, at least they don’t shut down the freaking event when the results don’t please the Overlords.
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