Just when you thought the small band of wacko Ron Paul supporters - who have been desperately trying to undermine the Nevada GOP convention and elect Paul supporters as delegates to the national convention in Minneapolis this September - couldn’t embarrass themselves (and their candidate) any worse than they already have, these meatheads rise to the occasion and sink to a new low.
To refresh everyone’s memory, the GOP convened its state convention on April 26. Ron Paul’s out-of-state errand-boy, Jeff Greenspan, made a deal with the state party for a set number of delegate slots for Ron Paul supporters - and then promptly welshed on it the minute the convention started. This threw the convention into disarray and forced it to be recessed without completing its business. The convention is to officially reconvene on July 28th to finish the process of electing the national convention delegates.
In the meantime, the Paultards decided to hold their own rogue “convention” in Reno yesterday. For the last several weeks, they have been assuring everyone with absolute certainty that they had WAY more than enough convention delegates coming to obtain a quorum to conduct business. That would have been in the neighborhood of 800 delegates.
They themselves, however, are reporting they barely mustered 300.
And we have no idea how many of those were truly credentialed delegates since the bozos didn’t have a copy of the official delegate list anyway. For all we know, the vast majority of those who showed up were just homeless people off the street who were promised a cigarette and a shot of rot-gut to sit in a seat in a largely empty ballroom for a couple hours.
Not that anything these loons would have done ever would have been recognized officially anyway. But to only attract 300 when you went around pounding your chest claiming that the vast majority of delegates had asked for this rogue convention and that you expected as many as a 1,000 of them to participate is major league egg on their face.
But the Paultards didn’t let a massive failure in attendance stop them from continuing to act like clowns. A Paultard blogger going by the handle of “Jdayh” apparently attended the circus and posted the following shortly after the rogue pep-rally began:
“For those of you who REALLY WANT DESIRE AND NEED TO HAVE A FREE NATION….Nevada has set a landmark in the halls of history…..Today they have reconvened and remade the NEVADA GOP…and even as I am posting this they are electing delegates to the NATIONAL CONVENTION….(mostly, if not all, Ron Paul delegates) THIS WILL COUNT TOWARDS RON PAUL WINNING THE STATE OF NEVADA….with will allow them to NOMINATE HIM FROM THE FLOOR which is what this whole thing is really all about. Once he has a state that he legally wins (ie gets the majority of delegates for that state) He can then be nominated for President at the National Republican Convention. THIS MEANS THIS CAMPAIGN IS IN FULL GEAR!!!!!
“Here is a bit of information on how they are doing this legally….
“They did not have a quorum based on the old convention, but that convention has been invalidated due to rule breaking. (see below in bold) So now they have a new quorum with full attendance. Which means it is fully legal and shall withstand the scrutiny of legal challenges that may come!!!! . . . LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA…..now GO spread the word to every man, women and creature that we can still win Ron Paul the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!”
The tin foil on this lame-brain’s head is so tight he STILL thinks Ron Paul is going to be elected president this year. Good, God, man. Put down the Kool-Aid.
But if this kook’s report is accurate, the ‘tards decided that since they couldn’t even come close to the number of bodies necessary to reach a legal quorum - whether those bodies were official delegates or not - they’d just change the rules right there on the spot and continue the charade that these boneheads are actually doing something both constructive and legal. Good grief. Third-world countries don’t sink this low.
As a longtime Ron Paul supporter, I can’t help but be sad at seeing how this man’s good name and reputation are being tarnished by the stupid and childish actions of a few melonheads here in Nevada.
Posted on June 29th, 2008 by Chuck Muth
Filed under: Nevada
I’m a McCain supporter who still hasn’t received an explanation of how a Convention could be recessed without any participation from its own floor (the Delegates) and then require some kind of a quorum of 800 to come out of recess. We didn’t need a quorum after the first coffee break to get back to biz. ‘Come on Chuck. When will we get the “rest of the story”?
A McCain supporter, And he understands what happened. And there were a number of McCain and Romney supporters at the reconvene yesterday. Sort of goes against the “Paultard” thing. The truth is that this reconvene wasn’t even remotely about Ron Paul. It was about the rights of delegates to their convention. Ron is out of the race, and that’s a closed question. He doesn’t want the job and that’s that.
I suppose it’s easier to call names than to actually do some journalistic research. If you’d attended either convention or actually read the rules or party bylaws, you’d probably be able to comment with some authority. But no journalist I’ve spoken with or read during this entire process has ever so much as asked for the references, much less showed the the initiative to look them up themselves. The rules and bylaws are on the internet and Roberts’ Rules costs about 15 bucks, and you can get it for less at a used book store.
I counted three county chairs in attendance, and another who refused to be credentialed and hollered obscenities when he was asked to become credentialed. Except for the obscenity guy, they seemed to feel things were done according to the book.
The reconvention was done professionally and legally and should count. What will the RNC do? My guess is that they’ll do whatever the state party wants them to do. Sadly, the party would never have even announced a reconvening if we haven’t done one first. And they still haven’t actually announced one. They will merely tell us, without verification, that everyone really wanted a mail in vote and there’s no purpose to a reconvene. And as you and I both know, that was their intention from the second the first convention was illegally gaveled into recess.
I am proud to know every person in that room yesterday, no matter which candidate they supported. I have a lot more friends than I thought, and I know that when we need those people, they won’t be hypnotized by 10 dollar barbecue. Although, I really do like good barbecue.
I haven’t often been proud to be a Republican this last year. But I was yesterday. All the style points were in Reno yesterday. It’s a shame you didn’t show up to see it.
Brian Kominsky
You people are beyond pathetic. You get three chairs out of 17 and you think that’s somehow significant?
And if you have all the rules and “legality” on your side, how come you’re nothing more than a laughingstock? Fact is, you people are out of your league, and most of the Paultards behind this effort would be out of their depth in a parking lot puddle.
Then again, I’m sugar-coating it.
Chuck - No, I never thought you’d consider it significant. I think it’s actually more significant that multiple party chairs scheduled events to specifically conflict with the reconvene. That tells me they were worried. And they were successful to some extent. Some who would have been there were drawn away. And again, that’s a legitimate tactic, even though I disagree with the intent.
Legality and rules are nice. But for them to mean anything, the press, in part, needs to do its job. Without a real fourth estate, the party leaders and their patrons are free to say and do whatever they want to. And that’s what they’ve been doing
Many people spent a lot of time practically begging reporters and commentators to take even a casual glance at the rules and bylaws that were being flouted from the caucus process, through the county convention and then again at the state convention. Never happened. Nobody broke out a copy of the rules or bylaws, even though they were freely available. And of course, nobody bothered even to check a one page summary of motions culled from Roberts’ Rules. Probably one or two hours of research would have explained everything. I’d think that spending that much time on background would be the minimum.
I think that says something very serious about the media. It’s much easier to ridicule than to do real reporting. Reporting is work. Ridicule can be fired off in a second. And reporting on personalities involved in conflict is much easier than reporting on the conflict itself. Getting a quote or two is not reporting. That is parroting. Quotes backed up by research and facts is what separates a reporter from a gossip columnist.
I did not want to reconvene in the manner it was done yesterday. I wanted the party to handle it and to do what they promised: a free convention that would be scheduled in a timely manner to finish party business. We offered the entire apparatus to the party numerous times. There would be no cost to the party at all. They could man it, or we would help. They could run the entire thing if they so chose. And it was turned down.
What we got were stall tactics, avoidance behavior and some “handling.” We also were to be assessed an additional $35 dollars for extra security because “we” were unruly. In fact, “we” were not unruly. There is all kinds of video evidence of just the opposite.
I don’t ever expect fairness. But I do always hope that people will step up and act like human beings. Apparently, the party with its intrigues and pr is more interested in looking for an angle than actually growing the base, especially if that base cannot be controlled.
The real question is this: Will they be successful in chasing away enough people to retain control of the apparatus. I don’t know the answer to that one.
Chuck, just report on the facts. There was no recess on April 26th nor was there sine die as the films show. The party wants a mail in ballot in July. Even the RNC said that a mail in ballot is easily challengeable in court. You will end up being wrong as you always do in matters where you have NO IDEA as to what you are talking about.
You people have GOT to get over this rampant paranoia running through your collective veins.
The press isn’t interested because your people aren’t credible and it’s an internal party matter. There’s nothing newsworthy about it despite your fervent wishes to the contrary. If you had any experience in these matters you would know and understand that.
As for you “Ralph,” we’ll see who knows what they’re talking about. So far, the Paultards have been wrong every step of the way and I’ve been correct at every turn.
Brian:
I thought you had more sense than what you have shown in your posts. You rail against a lack of journalistic investigation, yet you have failed to do any research youself into the claims you make and try to sell as fact. Specifically, I am writing about your ill-researched remarks about the Clark County All American Barbecue. The event was hatched around about the time of the Lincoln Day Dinner in April in response to a call by Republicans who couldn’t afford the high price tag of the Lincoln Day Dinner, but wanted to support the party nevertheless. This ocurred well before even the state convention, and the date was set at the first officer’s meeting the first week of May. In fact, the announcement for the date of the barbecue was made at the executive board meeting in May.
This is significant because if you had even checked with the “Ron Paul” members of the county exec. board as to when the barbecue was planned you would find that your statement that the event was planned to “conflict with the reconvene” is simply untrue. Our event (an overwhelming success, gathering far more people to eat tasty barbecue than your exercise in futility did in Reno) was set and announced well before the announcement of the Ron Paul peprally. Perhaps you knew that and you are purposely trying to mislead people? I hope not, although you have misled me before. You just didn’t do your research.
Furthermore, I think it is pathetic that you would believe that Republicans would, how did you put it, be “hypnotized” into going to a barbecue over attending your event. Apparently you believe that Republicans are stupid enough to be fooled by a stunt to keep people away from a legitimate event. You should consider what I know about Republicans in Clark County, and that is that our delegates were smart enough to know which event was important to attend and legitimate, and which event would be a colossal waste of time.
Mr. Muth,
Thanks for letting me on your blog. Is it necessarily because the majority of folks whose torso resides on one side of the fence while their mug hangs over the other that determines which side is right? I was in the count room with Beverly (National Committeewoman) where the votes were being counted. She asked the Paul people to step to one side, the McCain people to step to the other side and the miscellaneous other people to stay in the middle. As I recall, in the counting room, with the National Committeewoman, there were about 6-8 Paul people on one side, maybe 6-8 McCain people on the other side and about 8-9 people in the middle, some of who were for Duncam Hunter, Fred Thompson, and Mitt Romney (hey, he won Nevada). And as a State Delegate in attendance, no one, meaning no other delegate, knew the room was booked ONLY untilt 5:00PM. It was a shock to almost every delegate in that room. I’m not positive, but I think everyone (at least 90%) was so shocked that the chairman would just bang the gavel, up and walk out along with those in the know, that we all just stood there for a while. I just joined up with the working end of the GOP this year. Some neighbor asked me to get involved beyond just voting. So I get all the way up to be delegate at the state Convention and what happens? I get called names that have nothing whatsoever to do with me, my chosen candidate for president, or my party affiliation. The Party walks out because they can’t handle the influx of people who were invited to get involved. So, I need some good advice, Sir. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, do you think maybe, by a preponderance of evidence, it just might be a duck?
So, I guess the idea here is that after inviting all these people in, you now want to force them out with disrespect and childish diatribes. Which group would you like to leave next? Perhaps you can have Senator McCain stop by the “real” restart and insult the christians and capitlists too. By November, the NRP will be CBS. The ChucK, Bernie, and Sue Party.
In fact, I didn’t know when the barbecue was planned. Wally Edge implied that you may have scheduled the event to conflict with the reconvene. That’s a reporter. I had asked three people about the scheduling. Two told me what you wrote, one a conflicting story. The lesson? Sometimes you do homework and still don’t get a definitive answer.
Hyptonized? Nah. Never said it. In fact, I know a few people who were conflicted and decided to attend your event. “Drawn away” are the words I used. Seems a little less hysterical than “hypnotized.” Didn’t think that was such a big deal, like I said initially. I have been told two different stories about the date, as I wrote above. Not my intention to mislead anyone. I would assume you know the story, even though Wally, the reporter, wasn’t sure and gave you style points for being devious. Again, not me. I am glad you aren’t devious and I am glad you didn’t decide to schedule the barbecue to conflict with the reconvene.
I have mislead you before? I hope not. But you have my number. And I have relatively thick skin.
Of course, the event that seems to have been scheduled to conflict was the central committee meeting in Nye. And the chair from that county has been openly hostile to not only Ron Paul supporters, but to those who deal honestly with them. And if she wants to challenge that statement, she should first remember that when she doesn’t know who is sitting right behind her at the airport, she shouldn’t talk so loudly.
I would have loved to see everyone attend the June 28 reconvene and finish all the party business and get it behind us. It was never my choice to handle things this way. I attended to support the people with whom I’d been working for the last year. There were probably a handful of Ron Paul supporters who hold out some kind of hope that he’ll still be president. The vast majority of those who attended know better and simply believe in limited, constitutional government. They see the party backing McCain and the result will be either another Bob Dole type annihilation, or in victory, even more government growth than under Bush (cap and trade nonsense, endless war). They merely want to see limited government represented, no matter in how small a way, at the convention in Minnesota.
If a quorum of delegates had shown up, they would have seen an exemplary, well run, impartial convention. And it was conducted in such a way that if enough delegates had shown up, it is unlikely that Ron Paul would have gotten any of the at large delegates voted on.
Bernie, I think you have been a good chair in your brief time in that office. And I hope you will continue in that office as long as you want to. I hope to attend lots of county barbecues. And if you’re in the dunk tank, you’ll be glad to know that I have two surgically repaired shoulders and can’t get any heat on the fastball anymore.
Brian
I want to respond to Brian when he said the county chairs scheduled their events to counter their unsanctioned and failed convention last Saturday.
First they want to reconvene last June 7 but I have my Ronald Reagan Barbecue and then they moved to June 28 and I had my central committee meeting.
I did all I can for Ron Paul and I want them all to know that I did the fff. for Ron Paul:
1. I did cold calling for the 2 occassions he came to Pahrump, Nevada. With 10 volunteers I used my office with 11 phone lines calling from 5:30 to 9pm in order to fill up the community center. I never did cold calling as a Realtor here in Nevada but I did it for Ron Paul. He came to Pahrump two times.
2. I went to our 2 local TV stations asking the public to come and listen to Ron Paul. In both 2 occassions I succeeded in filling up the Bob Ruud Community Center and Ron Paul was very happy . Jeff Greenspan was there too. I used my personal check to reserve the space and the NCRCC’s liability insurance to cover any untoward accident.
3. I allowed signs of Ron Paul to be installed in all Precious Properties’ listings all over the valley to show that I support all Republican candidates.
What did I get after my hard work? I got signatures of 30 Ron Paul supporters calling for a special meeting to take me out. Is this how this group reward someone who did sacrifice her time, money and energy for Ron Paul? They did not succeed but I know they are still trying to overtake the central committee, the club that was founded by hard working dedicated Republicans after they were welcome with open arms. They just became members last Feb. 9 and they want to take over the central committe as soon as possible.
Fely A. Quitevis
Chairwoman
Nye County Republican Central Committee
ican Central Committee
Chuck,
Who tried to make a deal with the Nevada GOP? Jeff Greenspan? And from where does he get his authority to make deals for the delegates of the state? It may as well have been Mickey Mouse making the deal, and it is the Nevada GOP’s fault for thinking they should make deals with outsiders who have absolutely no power at the state convention. The Nevada delegates are the Nevada GOP. Jeff Greenspan is not.
Brian-
Here is a quote from one of your comments on this page
“I have a lot more friends than I thought, and I know that when we need those people, they won’t be hypnotized by 10 dollar barbecue”
Now, here is ANOTHER one of your quotes on a later comment
“Hyptonized? Nah. Never said it.”
How can you not expect us to believe that you are misleading?
I am not quite sure if the word “liar” comes to my mind, but I would definitely appreciate evidence to the contrary. I am not quick to call names, however, I feel this one to be justified.
Here is another great example of your hypocrisy. In your first comment you comment on a lack of journalistic research done by Chuck Muth. You cite SEVERAL resources that he should have checked. Then in your response to Bernie’s comment you state “Wally Edge implied that you may have scheduled the event to conflict with the reconvene. That’s a reporter. I had asked three people about the scheduling. Two told me what you wrote, one a conflicting story.” I believe it strange that you are against Chuck Muth using stories and opinions from others when writing his blog, however when you post comments, it is fine for you to just go off of what others state. Did you ever think to maybe, check hard written evidence? You tell Chuck about several different books and bylaws and other paper evidence that he could be reading about, however you don’t bother to get a copy of the E-Board minutes once you start hearing stories that perhaps the bbq was planned during earlier E-Board meetings?
Explain please.
Cynthia,
I am glad that you were able to attend the June 28th “meeting”. I am not quite sure what else to call it but that. The lack of delegates and the fact that it was not sanctioned, keeps it from being a technical “convention”.
Once I play a hand at poker, whether I win or I lose, I understand that the hand is over. Once the chips are taken by the winner and the cards are delt again, there is no going back.
Those who favor RP and his policies need to realize that their straight just got beat by a straight flush.
Feel free to participate in the next hand, being delt during the year 2012. I wish you the best of luck and I personally would not be opposed to a candidate with the belief structure of RP being our president. However, it is out of the question for the 2008 general election.
Explain to me exactly how you could classify that as the State Convention? The only people who claimed it to be that were the ones present. No one else is calling the June 28th “meeting” the State Convention. The State Party won’t recognize your “meeting”, the media won’t recognize your “meeting”, and the Republican National Committee won’t recognize your “meeting”.
So, the 300 or so of you that banded together on the 28th could call your “meeting” the gathering of electorates for the Presidential Election and all of you could have casted electoral ballots and chosen the next President of the United States, according to your logic.
Just because you claim it was a convention, doesn’t make it such.
Jennifer-
I look forward to your same level of confidence in your blogging come the end of July when the RNC aproves the delegates selected from the July Convention.
I like your candidate, I like a huge percentage of the POLICY believes that you and your “revolution” have. However, it is the lack of realism in your group that I do not agree with.
There are certain battles you can not win, and this is one of them.
Dear Jennifer Terhune:
Please don’t leave! Or atleast, please let us know where you, Carl Bunce, Cynthia Kennedy and the other short-bus riders will be blogging. Your ridiculous and pathetic posts keep me laughing and they are what gets me through the day.
I wish I could have gone to see all you “patriots” at your “convention!” I’ll bet there was more tinfoil in that room than was on the shelf at the Food King. Did you guys intercept any radio communications from Mork from Ork? You know, come to think of it, I did see a whole bunch of government black helicopters circling the hotel, they must have been monitoring the communications between you “patriots” and your mother ship. Either that or they were monitoring the excessive food intake of that fat loser James Smack who claims to be one of your race. I’m embarassed to live near that fool. Move over Bunce, make room for Jennifer Terhune on that short bus. Dee dee dee!
“Live long and prosper,”
Sincerely,
Honest Abe
Voter from a distance - You are correct. I did use that phrase and didn’t check my quotes accurately enough. It is called hyperbole, but again, you are correct.
As for not checking the minutes of the E-board: Yeah, I suppose I could try, although I’m not sure they are word for word transcriptions, and I’m not even sure I have access to them as a non-e-board member. Just btw, since I wrote that post, someone has told me that the event was moved from an original date of June 21st to June 28th, and this was announced at the coalitions meeting, although I don’t know when that meeting took place. That may or may not be germane, depending on when it happened.
Liar? I think liars are much more crafty and probably have better memories than me, as you’ve noticed. Maybe that makes me a poor liar? But here is one fact you neglect to mention: Bernie and Fely posted responses using their names. And you’ll also notice that I have always posted using my name. I have not hidden behind anonymity.
So, tell me, anonymous one - Did you research any of the rules and statutes and bylaws that I’m not supposed to ask a reporter to look at because I didn’t memorize my previous posts? Because the one thing that should be running through this entire discussion is this: The reconvene was a professionally run event that would have definitively finished the delegates’ business if only the party had been willing to take a free convention done in a professional, timely manner. That didn’t happen and the result has been the current mess. It could have gone very smoothly, and I am pretty sure Ron Paul or any candidate other than Senator McCain would have been hard pressed to elect a single delegate at large if the party had only decided to take this gift. And a gift is exactly what it was.
Everything else is merely unnecessary verbiage, on my part and everyone else’s
Brian
Brian-
You like to belief that the State Central Committee and State E-Board need make every decision based solely on the options provided by you and fellow RPers. Is it possible that not everything is a conspiracy to bring someone down or to disenfranchise some person? Could it not be possible, for reasons unknown to me, that perhaps they had reasons beyond the RP supporters for choosing the date they did? I have no tangible evidence either way, and I doubt that you do either. I believe that there is some document somewhere that mentions “innocent until proven guilty” and I believe in that.
I never claimed that you could not request information from reporters due to the fact that you “could not memorize previous posts”. I merely stated the convenience in which you request people to do investigative journalism yet can not go the extra mile before claiming that a county party was trying to hypnotize people away from the bbq.
I do wish to keep my name to myself, for private reasons. However, I will (despite the lack of necessity) will keep the same name, so everyone will now that it is the same person. I will stick to voter from a distance (which was once “young conservative”. I would like to reassure you though, by letting you know that the fact that I am keeping my name anonymous is in no way due to any type of conspiracy against you or anyone else. I will further let you know, although I doubt you will believe me, that I have never been an E-board member for either the State or County party, I have never been a County Chair or State Party Chair or Executive Director. I am currently a member of the CCRP Central Committee, however because I will be out of town for several months, I will not be participating in any of the meetings (hence the title, voter from a distance). I am providing you this information so that you don’t think I am some kind of Nevada Party Insider.
All interested:I knew it would be a mistake to initially post a response, but now that I have started down this path of having to elaborate, corroborate or otherwise “prove” that my barbecue wasn’t done purposely to coincide with the Ron Paul pep rally in Reno on the 28th, I guess I will have to. Anyone who wants to see the minutes from the May 6th CCRCC Executive Board meeting is welcome to view them. That includes you Brian. And in case there is anyone out there who will still not believe me, and I’m sure there are some judging by the posts I’ve seen yesterday and today, these minutes were taken by the guy who was Acting Secretary that night, not me. The date, if you didn’t get it, was 5/6/08, WELL in advance of the announcement of the Ron Paul pep rally date. Further proof can be checked by asking ANY E-board member who was present that night, including Arden Osborne and Robert Holloway, both Ron Paul supporters, atleast initially.
Frankly, I think this discussion has become silly, especially those who continue to believe that it will, in the end, count for anything. Time to move on.
Bernie
From a Distance - I don’t think nor did I ever think you were part of any conspiracy. I’m not a big believer in conspiracy. Nor did I assume you were a party insider. In fact, it was probably a mistake to respond to any anonymous poster.
And Bernie. I think we agree it’s time to move on. You say you didn’t schedule the barbecue to conflict with the June 28th revonvene, I take you at your word.
You want to call the reconvene a pep rally. And indeed, it may turn out that’s exactly what it was. But like I said, I had a lot of friends in that room and I was there to support them. I hope you would do no less for people who you have worked closely with. In fact, I’m sure you would
Brian
Hey Brian I am glaad that you and Bernie was able to close the gap. We can debate and argue and at the end of the day we reconcile our differences. Coming from a 3rd world country everytday I wake up I always say God bless America in my prayer and I am so lucky to be here and part of this democratic process.
Brian you are good guy with great gray matter and I want to invite you for lunch sometime. I have a penthouse at Turnberry Place and what about a lunch or dinner at the Stirling Club? Bernie please join us.
Fely Quitevis
Chairwoman
Nye County Republican Central Committee
As the county chair who “refused to be credentialed” let me say that simply isn’t true. I was challenged by Dr. Wayne Terhune, who apparently thought that since he was paying for everything he had the right to decide who would go and who could stay.
And yes I told him in precisely those terms where he could go and what he could do when he got there, and I make no apology for that. If it was good enough for Dick Cheney to use on Pat Leahy, it was good enough for me. Wayne Terhune is nothing but a pompous a-h with a lot of money to burn.
Now, for what happened: I had no ID tag from the previous convention, and was told that I could participate if I signed a notarized affidavit that I was indeed a delegate. I was willing to do that, but since we had arrived late the notary had apparently left. Is that my problem?
What I want to ask Wayne Terhune is why, as county chairman, I wasn’t even permitted to attend even as a guest? What were you doing there that was so secret?
The fact remains that all their protest about legality to the contrary, the whole show was nothing more than a Wayne Terhune and Mike Weber ego trip. No notices were sent to individual delegates, as normally would be required, just scatter-shot e-mails and a few Mike Weber radio spots. Total attendance, by their own admission, was well under the quorum requirement. And most egregious of all, the “convention” failed to take up an item far more important than the election of national convention delegates: the selection of presidential electors for the general election. Guys, no electors means no GOP presidential candidate in Nevada!
Howard Hirsch
Chairman, Lyon County Republican Committee
Dayton, Nevada
Howard - Secret? The entire thing was webcast, so I don’t think anything secret was happening. And if you’d paid the 10 dollar guest fee, I’m sure you could have been credentialed as a guest rather than a delegate. In fact, I know at least one other county chair who did so. Also, we could have credentialed you by merely having other delegates attest that you were an original delegate, which I would gladly have done and so would many others present.
The initial convention had a rules provision dictating that the elected national delegates would then elect the presidential electors. That was retained in this convention. So, if that’s the main deficiency in the proceedings, then the original convention would never have counted either.
As for notice. Ads were placed in the major newspapers throughout the state. Radio ads were paid for, which you apparently knew of. We would have gladly notified every delegate individually, but as you know, we were refused the list that was promised to us initially for free. Then, we were told that a payment of 10,000 dollars was necessary to obtain it. But subsequently, we were told that no matter how much money we paid, we were not allowed access to the list.
Howard, we had a cordial chat following the initial convention. I would like to think that civility will be the order of the day in our party. And for that reason, I hope your reconvene goes well. But it’s counterproductive to keep rehashing these things. All you need to do is have a successful reconvene to shut all of this down permanently. Brian
Brian–
I was not informed of a $10 guest fee, which would not have been of sufficient marginal utility to me at that price anyway. Wayne simply wanted to show that he was in charge, and that his decision was final because he was paying for it all.
My primary purpose in attending was simply to count bodies and see who from Lyon County was in attendance. I did spot a few faces I recognized from the previous April convention. Interesting that none of them have bothered to show up at any of our county central committee meetings since then.
Yes it is true that in the past the presidential elector slate has been chosen by the national convention delegates. However, this is contrary to NRS requirements that it be done by the party’s state convention. And while the GOP has gotten by with this in the past, now that the secretary of state’s office is in hostile hands, I would prefer that we not take any chances and do it by the book. I recommended as much to the state party leadership.
Howard Hirsch
Chairman, Lyon County Republican Central Committee
Dayton, Nevada