From Palin Rips Obama. So many to choose from, but here’s my favorite:
“Since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves,” Palin said. “I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a `community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities.
Wasn’t she just terrific, Tammi?!! I am SO energized to see this fine woman… strong, courageous, well-spoken and smart to be the McCain selection for VP. “Inexperienced” my butt! That’s a damn weak position to fire from with OBamBam running for the #1 slot with zero accomplishments on his resume. Let them attack her… there will bruised and bloodied liberals laying about the floor around here… this is the capability and eloquence we have been waiting for! Wow.
When can I puke?
Right on Susan!!!!!
…those actual responsibilities, how do they relate to foreign policy?
It appears that “teach abstinence” thing worked out well for her.
Anne,
So far the only thing any Republican has to say about S.P.’s foreign policy is that Alaska is close to Russia. Haven’t been able to figure out that one.
What about the jet she sold on EBay? She did, indeed, list the previous governor’s Westwind II plane on the popular auction site—three times. But no buyer ever made the minimum bid.
It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.
As mayor, she built a hockey rink/rec center using eminent domain (because apparently there just isn’t enough land in Alaska).
And keep in mind the timeline here: Obama did this as a young man BEFORE going to law school, becoming a successful lawyer and a law professor.
I don’t think it’s right to attack someone for working in a faith-based charity out of college. I think we all have some embarrassing first-jobs in our past. I would not make fun of Palin for being a beauty queen and sports reporter out of college during these same years. Although, I do think Obama’s experience shaped his political future a bit better -Michael Landauer
Now, the truth is that, starting at age 23, Obama ran a faith-based charity called the Developing Communities Project.
Apparently, faith-based charity work is not nearly as important a job as beauty queen!
Hi DI –
Wowzers, a girl cannot even go to work for a few hours without the trolls moving in and setting up camp.
Yes, it’s amazing the number of women I’ve talked to, who have NEVER been interested in politics, who now love this woman and can hardly wait to vote McCain / Palin in November.
What can the libtards do? Oh, talk about puking, continue degrading a 17 year old who isn’t even running for office, talk about Obama’s Christian charity job, talk about Palin’s lack of foreign policy experience, etc … which at this rate will land McCain and Palin in the White House by a landslide.
I love how Republicans have always been proud of their country, don’t you? As opposed the the leftards hating our nation and everything it stands for.
“Big Brother” Barack “Born Alive, Let Them Die” Obama must have lost his faith in law school. His accomplishments since law school include:
- kissing the ring of terrorist Bill Ayers in order to enter the corrupt Chicago Machine
- killing a bill in The Illinois Senate that would require that care be given to babies that survived botched abortions
- referred to a potential grandchild as a punishment
- dismissed regular people as bitter (clinging to religion and guns)
- sought prosecution of a man for forming a PAC that dared air an ad (factual) regarding Obama’s ties to Ayers
Barack is impressive… as long as you are a leftist moron that seeks… whatever leftist morons seek.
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Awww…. Sam, thanks for dropping in. And, thanks for the big dose of reality. Though, be careful, the trolls might follow you home.
Have you noticed how Bristol doesn’t even act as though she’s being punished? Go figure.
Puking, yea I will give you that…”continue degrading a 17 year old who isn’t even running for office, talk about Obama’s Christian charity job, talk about Palin’s lack of foreign policy experience, etc … which at this rate will land McCain and Palin in the White House by a landslide”
Obama’s qualifications and Palin’s lack of foreign policy experience are real issues..Are you so caught up in just the fact that she is a woman and believes in pro-life that you can’t see beyond that?
I am sure she is a wonderful woman, no argument there. Yes, we, meaning the (love the name calling) “LEFTARDS” may be being a little harsh in relation to the 17 year old. I think maybe that is a backlash from the time when Clinton was in office and their private business was slammed by the Republican party. You are right, Attacking the 17 year old is not ok, BUT…Having an opinion about her mom is another story. Especially when it comes to her qualifications. This is the most important job in the U.S. and I think you are all taking it too lightly. I love the comments like McCain made about her governing the largest state in America, it is also a fact that it is the 47th largest state (not impressive) by population! Or this one is another great one: She is the commander of the Alaska National Guard. Yes BUT, the authority ends whenever those units are called to military service. Then they report to the Defense Department. This is false advertising at it’s best!
Hey, lets just go with some substance here.
Give me some substantive foreign policy reassurance. I don’t care what Obama is doing I want to know what specifically she can bring to the table.
It’s apparent it won’t be dinner.
Tammi,
I wasn’t bashing the 17 year old, it was the belief that abstinence as the only prevention for pregnancy (not to mention disease) was not going to be effective. That is just a pleasant fantasy for self-righteous parents who believe that their 17 year olds, will not have sex because of the wonderful family values they have been taught. Hello, I’m thinking hopefully a baby is the only thing she got, it could have been aids.
Do pro-life people believe in pro-life no matter what. For example if a teen “makes a mistake” and has sex before marriage and they end up pregnant. Do they automatically already know they will keep the baby or do they get tested for STD’s first, specifically AIDS or something that would effect the “baby”? Could someone answer this for me?
Susan,
Don’t expect an answer, I have been trying to get one for some time now. My mind is still very open and I have not decided on a candidate. I have real questions that I would like to discuss and or find out the parties views on, but I feel that I am being totally alienated, by virtue of questioning. Just some actual dialog here would be a good start.
Is AIDS a reason to kill a baby? Not in my opinion.
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Did I say anything about aborting a baby? Answer here would be NO!
Have you ever heard of preventative measures, as in the type that also prevent the spread of venereal disease?
I never mentioned or thought about abortion. My post has to do with preventing pregnancy not terminating it.
I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities.
- Sarah Palin, 2008
Maybe she’s talking about the Montgomery Improvement Association - the community organization run by MLK that launched and supported the Montgomery bus boycott. No responsibility there.
Or maybe she’s talking about the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the network of community organizations and churches that MLK co-founded, that proved so crucial to the civil rights movement. Apparently no responsibility there, either.
Or maybe that March on Washington for Jobs & Freedom that the Republicans like to wrap themselves up in, the shared work of countless community organizers and activists - maybe that was what she was referring to.
Or maybe she just thinks that if you say a word deeply intertwined with the civil rights movement and American progress in a snarky enough tone, people will think it reflects poorly on Senator Obama.
Sorry Anne, I screwed up and answered Susan’s question. I should have known better than to answer a question posed by one of your alter egos.
Susan wrote:
“Do pro-life people believe in pro-life no matter what. For example if a teen “makes a mistake” and has sex before marriage and they end up pregnant. Do they automatically already know they will keep the baby or do they get tested for STD’s first, specifically AIDS or something that would effect the “baby”? Could someone answer this for me?”
Now Anne (or Susan since you are either the same person or Anne thinks you are) how is a pregnancy that has already occurred to be prevented?
I think “leftard” is fitting, although I do prefer “libiot.”
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Sam,
I asked the question to gain more knowledge. I guess I offended you because I didn’t already know the answer about how you feel on the subject. I didn’t suggest that someone should terminate a pregnancy if there was AIDS or some other STD. I just wondered if it was a factor in making a decision or if it in NO! straight across the board. Are any of you capable of having a discussion without getting defensive?
One other question if someone would answer without getting snotty is this: Do people who are pro-life believe in the I.U.D.? Or the morning after pill? Why or why not?
And by the way Sam, I don’t understand what you are talking about with the Susan/Anne thing. Am I to assume since you share the same beliefs with someone else that you are one in the same person?
Susan,
Are you reading Anne’s comments? Particularly the one in which she appeared to respond to my answering your question with: ”
Did I say anything about aborting a baby? Answer here would be NO!
Have you ever heard of preventative measures, as in the type that also prevent the spread of venereal disease?
I never mentioned or thought about abortion. My post has to do with preventing pregnancy not terminating it.”
This response dictated a sharper tone. Now for your other questions:
IUD- I have no opinion as this device keeps sperm and egg from meeting, which is the key, in my opinion.
Morning After Pill- I suppose if you could guarantee that the pill is taken before sperm meets egg and conception occurs, then it would be acceptable, otherwise it is the equivalent to any other abortion, in my opinion.
Of course if one would consider actually supporting Barack “57 states” Obama, being referred to as a leftard or libiot is fitting.
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Wow! This thread certainly took on a life of it’s own. I just wanted to say I agree with the blogmistress on the above quote. It was easily the best line of the evening.
-smith
Sam, Thank you for answering the questions. I could however do without the name calling.
Now as far as my other issues. Republicans are very patriotic, but part of being a true American is that you respect and allow others to have and voice their opinions. This is where the people on this blog fall short. If you are going to wave the flag and talk about how your country is so great then maybe you should contemplate why….that is that we live in a free country, able to make our own choices about what ever…including abortion. We have the rights to say what we want. And question what we want. I don’t know why you believe in pro-life, I don’t understand it all. But I respect your opinion. I don’t however feel that everyone needs to live under the exact same guidelines. I am not asking you to change your opinion. Just so you know. I am pro-choice, if you didn’t know but I personally don’t feel that I could abort. I still think each person should make their own choices. I don’t know a Christian that would say even god FORCES people to act a certain way. We all were given a brain to make our own decisions, right or wrong. If god doesn’t strike a hand down on a person for making their own choices then I hardly think Sarah Palin should have that right either.
Susan,
I respect your right to be wrong and say whatever you like.
According to your defense of abortion as a right or a choice, then I am left to believe that you pretend the baby isn’t a person or you believe that murder should be legal as long as the victim’s mother gives consent. Did you donate to Andrea Yates’ defemse fund?
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Hi Smith,
Why thank you! Thanks for dropping in too.
As for the questions posed by the trolling visitors, and I’m not going to scroll up and try to remember who asked what. Also, I’m not really buying the spiel about being undecided voters either. I might have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night.
Anyway, I can only speak for myself. Yes, I am against abortion for all reasons. Just because a child is inside the womb, it is still a living human being, created by God, and murdering it is wrong.
Because I’m focusing on Eli Manning right now, I actually forget what the other questions are … oh yeah, foreign policy experience. Not sure if you realize it or not, but the Executive branch is composed of more than two people, or the President and Vice President. I’m confident McCain will have an excellent Cabinet and administration. I’ve also been told on more than one occasion that running a state (governor) is more difficult and complex than running the country. I could be wrong, it’s just what I’ve been told on more than one occasion.
Have a great evening — and keep in mind that I’m watching football, so every little jab will not get a response. When I’m done watching football, I’ll be going to sleep, when I wake up, I’ll be going to work, are you getting the pattern?
Oh Sam,
I’m really grateful you’ve been here to run the fly swatter. You are a great blogging friend.
“Do people who are pro-life believe in the I.U.D.? Or the morning after pill? Why or why not?”
Unless I’m mistaken the IUD prevents implantation after conception, as would the morning after pill, so they would both qualify as abortifacients. So most pro-lifers would oppose those.
We tend to go by the scientific definition of life which you’ll find in embryology textbooks, namely that a unique, living human being is formed at conception. She is at an early stage of human development, but is human nonetheless.
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While I realize this commenter went to much hard work to copy and paste his / her version of myths and facts, there are no links to provide any evidence. This blog mistress sensed a little plagiarizing and therefore deleted the comment.
Tammi,
My pleasure!
Neil,
I need to research the IUD, as I thought it kept sperm from egg (this was an assumption on my part.) I am glad you pointed this out.
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Anon,
What a gutsy name!
If you believe that George Bush is a conservative (with the exception of social issues and a couple of others) perhaps Moron would be more fitting.
How has the price of gas changed since January of 2007? I seem to remember that the price of gas was one of Nancy Pelosi’s key campaign points.
Maybe The Huckster meant that Governor Palin received more votes for mayor than Biden has hair plugs.
How many guardsmen or other military members has Barry commanded? (His association with a man that declared war on our own country doesn’t count.)
McCain could have said Alaska was one of the few states whose name begins with an “A” and it still wouldn’t change the fact that our V.P. nominee is far superior to your nominee for president!
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Tammi,
You can just use my rebuttal as a summary of Anon’s point then if you wish.
Go Giants!
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We’ll do Sam.
Seriously, I’d read that somewhere else today, but didn’t want to take the time to figure out where. It was easier just to delete. Really, I probably just saved Anon from plagiarizing prison. 
Chalk that up to compassionate Conservatism. 
Giants are up 16 to 7. I really really really want them to start the season with a win.
Wow, Tammi, you have trolls, too!
They couldn’t get our gal down with US covers, with “sex scandals,” with “BabyGate,” or “AmnioGate,” so they are…
1. trolling on blogs; and
2. invading Alaska, killing their mooses, and converting them to Wiccanism.
To all our newfound blog “friends:” run fast… you’re already running scared. Saracuda doesn’t take prisoners.
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I disagree with you all. Babies should be killed in the womb. Trust me, they’re annoying as heck if you let them come out of it. For years and years! Waaah! Feed me! I’m tired! Read me a story!
They never shut up. And don’t even get me started on their sanitary habits. Did you know that babies don’t even know how to use a toilet?!? I’d tell you how parents deal with this problem, but, frankly, it’s too disgusting to mention here.
(just kidding. *wink*)
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Speaking of quotes:Asked about rumors the Alaska governor was being considered as McCain’s running mate, she told CNBC: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”
“Ms. Palin appears to have traveled very little outside the United States,” reported The Times. “In July 2007, she had to get a passport before she visited members of the Alaska National Guard stationed in Kuwait.” Yet Anchorage is a major hub for flights to Japan, Korea and China. She never felt like checking out Canada?
Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) — By now, many Americans know Sarah Palin’s views on guns, gays and abortion. When it comes to matters like trade, immigration, Social Security and Medicare, her record is mostly a blank slate.
Reuters Sep 1, 2008 By Yereth Rosen
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - It garnered big applause in her first speech as Republican John McCain’s vice presidential pick, but Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s assertion that she rejected Congressional funds for the so-called “bridge to nowhere” has upset many Alaskans.
During her first speech after being named as McCain’s surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress “‘thanks but no thanks’ on that bridge to nowhere.”
In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere,” political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska’s Congressional delegation during her run for governor.
The bridge, a span from the city to Gravina Island, home to only a few dozen people, secured a $223 million earmark in 2005. The pricey designation raised a furor and critics, including McCain, used the bridge as an example of wasteful federal spending on politicians’ pet projects.
When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she was insulted by the term “bridge to nowhere,” according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin’s campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city.
“People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I’m for this’ … and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting,” Weinstein said.
Palin’s spokeswoman in Alaska was not immediately available to comment.
National fury over the bridge caused Congress to remove the earmark designation, but Alaska was still granted an equivalent amount of transportation money to be used at its own discretion.
Last year, Palin announced she was stopping state work on the controversial project, earning her admirers from earmark critics and budget hawks from around the nation. The move also thrust her into the spotlight as a reform-minded newcomer.
The state, however, never gave back any of the money that was originally earmarked for the Gravina Island bridge, said Weinstein and Elerding.
In fact, the Palin administration has spent “tens of millions of dollars” in federal funds to start building a road on Gravina Island that is supposed to link up to the yet-to-be-built bridge, Weinstein said.
“She said ‘thanks but no thanks,’ but they kept the money,” said Elerding about her applause line.
Former state House Speaker Gail Phillips, a Republican who represented the Kenai Peninsula city of Homer, is also critical about Palin’s reversal on the bridge issue.
“You don’t tell a group of Alaskans you support something and then go to someplace else and say you oppose it,” said Phillips, who supported Palin’s opponent, Democrat Tony Knowles, in the 2006 gubernatorial race.
Noting that the vice president sits on the National Security Council, Wasserman Schultz added: “What advice could Palin possibly offer McCain? There might as well be an empty seat at the table.”
As recently as March 2007, however, Palin indicated that she was not immersed in the details of America’s war effort. In an interview with Alaska Business Monthly, she said: “I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president . . . I want to know that we have an exit plan in place.”
I didn’t read what abdul wrote, but if he’s saying Sarah is awesome, I agree! I’m going to assume that’s what he said.
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Kevin, perhaps you should actually try reading…it is amazing what sort of education you might get.
Kevin,
I read what Abdul copied from elsewhere, I wouldn’t waste my time with it if I were you.
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Abdul,
Please quit being a bigot against my Louisiana friend.
You, or any of your right wing friends are talking about being a bigot? Typical, hypocrisy at it’s best!
Kevin, yes a good idea is to just listen to what your friends say, why find out for yourself? If they said you should stop going to church would you listen to that too? Or maybe god loves abortion? Would you just believe anything they tell you or do you actually investigate anything on your own? This means hearing from the oposition as well. It doesn’t constitute brilliance if you are just being spoon fed info from the group whose side you are already on.
So Sam, what exactly did you disagree with? Facts?
Paula Abdul,
No, I disagree with a libiot troll pasting things into comment after comment to spam a reasonable person’s blog.
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Free speech, isn’t that the great thing about living in the U.S.A.!
OH, are trolls what we call anyone who doesn’t believe in our right wing crazy talk? Or just someone who happens to make a comment that differs from ours? Last I knew the general public has access to this blog. If you don’t want “trolls” invading, maybe you could just make your little club private.
Paula,
Free speech is one of the many great things about living in the U.S.A… of course “Big Brother” Barry is likely to try and change that.
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The true Republican way, defer, defer, defer. How about one of you smarty pants answering a question for once. Like what decision has Sarah Palin ever made for the Alaska National Guard? Just name one please. Or, why the Republicans keep ignoring her lack of foreign policy by stating that Alaska is close in proximity to Russia? What is her foreign policy experience? I mean real experience, not well..uuuhhh she lives close to a foreign country. Like actually give it some thought and a decent answer without telling us how bad Obama/Biden is. Like maybe educate us? While I am on my rant let me just say this: Sam I know you are a pro-lifer so let’s pretend I am pregnant and trying to decide what to do next. Do you think you are really going to convince me to not abort with your sarcastic tone? Please Sam, can you work on giving real answers this time? Love the “red-headed sasquatch for Jesus”
P.S.. You can call me “Red” for short.
Red,
I do not know of any foreign policy experience or decision regarding the Alaska National Guard. Happy? (Please take notice of how I am avoiding mentioning that Obama has no experience in this arena also… oops, I guess that just slipped out.)
I don’t think sarcasm would be useful in convincing anyone not to kill her child. Is your point that I I should never be sarcastic just in case there is a pregnant lady reading?
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No, my point is not that you should never be sarcastic in case there is a pregnant lady reading. I love sarcasm, all arguements aside I find sarcastic humor the best. It is a sign of intelligence. I don’t think that you are not intelligent. I think that you are misled in some areas but that is just my opinion. There could even be things we agree on. I am sure you feel the same way about me. (for example, I think, even though I am sometimes guilty of it myself that name calling is not productive) I guess my big problem with the Republicans is that every time I have attempted to get an answer on a legitimate issue I get the run around. I am not saying that I agree with Obama on everything. But on the abortion issue I believe that women should be allowed to make their own decisions. I feel it is putting women down to not allow them to decide for themselves if they want to do something, right or wrong. I feel the pro-lifers are taking away God’s authority to judge on this issue, right or wrong. I also don’t agree with only teaching abstinence in school. I have a very strong religious background. I was taught abstinence as were all my friends that I grew up with. It doesn’t work. Period. Yes there are a few people who follow the advice of their elders and learn from the examples of others. It is fact that most don’t. It has been that way for generations. I say teach abstinence as the best policy but don’t be blind, also teach safe sex. As long as adults keep trying to push abstinence without also teaching safe sex, the more examples there will be of situations like the one in Wasilla with the girl who hid her pregnancy from her parents and then destroyed the baby after it was born. I think that it is far worse than the alternative. I can’t pass judgement on her because I have no idea what that child was going through or what her parents might have done to her behind closed doors. Unlike alot of Republican’s out there I don’t claim to have the power of judgement. I will leave that up to God., Red
1.
Abdul, was it you mentioning education? I hate to rub my hoity-toity Ivy League degree in your face… (oh, who am I kidding? I LOVE rubbing it in liberals’ faces)… but that should be “its” rather than “it’s” (”it’s” being the conjunction for “it is”).
2.
I think you were going for “opposition”? Next time, try the dictionary… or, even better, firefox spell checker!
I could go on dissecting your comments (better known as prime examples of poor grammar and spelling), but I’m a busy girl.
So, that was my best impression of a snotty brat, and I think I succeeded. I could really care less if you make spelling errors or grammatical mistakes so long as your main point was comprehensible, which yours is not. Don’t call my friends uneducated until you are willing to put forth a more respectable effort at elementary English.
On to addressing your arguments:
Re: Sarah Palin’s experience in whatever area you may wish to discuss —
She has more than Obama! Haha, it may be trite and overused, but the truth is the truth and that’s something you should think about before attacking our VP candidate.
Re: Abortion
Abortion is a permanent solution to often temporary problems that could be solved in other ways. Poor women deserve better than abortion. Women in unhealthy relationships deserve better than abortion. Women who have been raped or are victims of incest deserve better than abortion. Abortion hurts women and kills children, therefore it is an unacceptable “solution”.
Re: Abstinence
Hahaha… You say abstinence doesn’t work. I say, have you ever tried it? Because whenever I abstain, it seems to work. I don’t get pregnant. I don’t get STDs. So far, so good! I’ll let you know when my luck runs out.
Re: Sex Education
I could care less what parents tell their children about sex, but I do care what schools teach. Liberals claim that religion and morals ought to be left out of the classroom, so they need to play by their own rules. The parent is the only person in a child’s life who has a responsibility to educate about sex. By schools teaching about condoms and so forth, they are infringing upon the family’s moral right and obligation to their children.
Tada!
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Red,
Abstinence works 100% of the time. My opinion is that sex education is a parent’s responsibility and schools should not be handing out condoms, teaching children how to apply them to produce, or indoctrinate children as to the normalcy of homosexual or gender confused lifestyles.
If you believe that the baby in the uterus is a person, then you must believe that abortion is killing a person and an obviously innocent person at that. How does killing this innocent person differ from killing any other innocent person? Should all murder and manslaughter be legalized so people can make those decisions for themselves? Have you noticed that much like aborted babies, murder victims aren’t the ones making those decisions?
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Ok Sam,
First of all I would like to say thank you for addressing the topics. I know how you don’t like copy/pasteing but this is how I can address each thought. ”
“Abstinence works 100% of the time. My opinion is that sex education is a parent’s responsibility and schools should not be handing out condoms, teaching children how to apply them to produce, or indoctrinate children as to the normalcy of homosexual or gender confused lifestyles.”
Yes you are 100 percent correct that abstinence works 100% of the time, however, teaching abstinence only does not work 100% of the time. I have to point out Bristol Palin. She was taught Abstinence only. In the words of Dr. Phil..”How’s that workin’ out for ya?” It is not effective. In a perfect world where teenagers listen to adults, yes. But last I knew, we do not live in a perfect world. Now on to applying them. I agree with you on that one. If you are old enough to figure out how to stick it in, you should be old enough to read the label on the package. Or face the consequences. As for the gender confused lifestyles…I will say that I have never understood bisexuality as a genetic issue. I do however think that you are either born gay or not. Again, I will leave that up to God to judge. I mean if you look at it from the bible prospective, it does not say that killing is ok, if you have a good reason. Ie, the war in Iraq. If you are going to say being Gay is wrong and quote the bible then let’s quote the whole thing. Murder is wrong period. Even in the War in Iraq. I don’t want to hear Sarah Palin talk about doing God’s will Iraq. (There are innocent people dying there) Are those innocent human beings less important than say, (if you believe they are “babies”) one in the womb?
Next paragraph:
If you believe that the baby in the uterus is a person, then you must believe that abortion is killing a person and an obviously innocent person at that. How does killing this innocent person differ from killing any other innocent person? Should all murder and manslaughter be legalized so people can make those decisions for themselves? Have you noticed that much like aborted babies, murder victims aren’t the ones making those decisions?”
Yes, again you are right, IF you believe that the fetus is a person. What about the group of people who don’t believe it is a person? It is not up to us to force our opinion of when the fetus turns to a baby on everyone.
As for murder victims, no they aren’t making those decisions but it didn’t stop someone from murdering them because the law said so. Imagine if gun laws were more strict, do you think it would make a difference in the loss of life to innocent people? I can tell you first hand that if gun laws were more strict, my ex husband might not have been able to get his hands on one and hold it to my head.
Imagine that our government makes it against the law to have an abortion. How many more stories will we hear about like the one I mentioned in Wasilla? Or maybe going to a Dr. who performs them regardless of whether or not it it is lawful? It will still happen regardless of what the law says. Last I knew it was still legal in Canada. Now to be sarcastic, does that mean that since Canada is close to Alaska that Gov/pssbl V.P. Palin will be able to influence govt there?
Also, I will check my sources on this one but I believe that while Clinton (Pro-Choice) and (Pro-sex-education) was in office. The abortion rate went down. Now as far as I can tell, that in itself is reason to preach both. I mean after all, the main idea here is to prevent abortion right?
Abdul,
Not true. Her school system teaches comprehensive sex ed.
Not true. Those who would murder other people really do not care about whether or not they’ll face a wimpy little fine to get a gun.
One of my friends would be DEAD if not for her gun. A man who stalked her for years chased her around her own apartment, wielding her own butcher knife at her. She’s alive because of the Second Amendment. (Yes, we have a constitutional right to own guns. You cannot have “strict gun laws” without violating the founding document of this great country.)
When people eat more ice cream, the price of gasoline goes up. Does that mean that we can reduce the price of gas by changing our ice cream habits?
Correlation does not equal causation. The abortion rate also went down during a Republican-controlled Congress, an economic boom, and the beginnings of… get this… abstinence-only education!
California was the first state to reject Congressional funding for abstinence-only education. It has the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the country, despite being a wealthy, liberal state wherein people have access to birth control and education. Other states that reject similar funding are experiencing similar results. So, the evidence actually points the other way.
You erroneously assume that comprehensive sex ed teaches things that are true. We were taught that the Pill is 99% effective. In reality, teenagers who use the Pill get pregnant about 25% of the time. That’s a huge, huge difference! Likewise, condoms work about 98% of the time with “perfect use,” but that number is derived from middle-aged married women, not teenagers.
“Comprehensive sex ed” gives out bad information that gives teens a false sense of security. They always assume that they will never be the 1% that gets pregnant, but fail to understand that it’s more like 25%.
Furthermore, comprehensive sex ed fails to discuss the most important aspect of sexuality: not preventing pregnancy, but the emotional and spiritual issues. Teenagers who are sexually active are less likely to graduate high school; those who graduate are less likely to go to college; and those who go to college are less likely to graduate. A noted paediatrian found that adolescent depression has increased, esp. among her female patients, during the last ten to fifteen years. It turns out that almost all of her patients who become suddenly depressed became so AFTER becoming sexually active.
Yet, we tell our children that they can just put on a condom and life will be dandy.
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What do the group of people that don’t believe the fetus is a person, believe he or she is? A carrot?
If a rapist believes that his victim is a life-like blow-up doll, should the act of rape not be a crime in his case?
Who quoted the bible? I know I didn’t. Do you really believe that our troops are committing murder in Iraq?
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I should add: California’s teen pregnancy rate increased dramatically after it rejected federal funding for abstinence-only education.
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I forgot about your silly reference to Bristol Palin. How do you know what her parent’s taught her about sex? Do you honestly believe that she didn’t realize that she might be getting pregnant when she had sex?
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Tieki Rae (I presume it should be spelled with capital letters right?) Yes, I did make some spelling errors. Does it feel good to be right? Now, what was that you said?
“I could really care less if you make spelling errors or grammatical mistakes so long as your main point was comprehensible, which yours is not.” Could you clarify which point you didn’t get? As for elementary English, I studied in AZ…It doesn’t appear that old Johnny boy has made any efforts to change the education received there. That was sarcasm although you are right. I usually have a quick break at the computer, usually while breast feeding my son. Imagine how many mistakes Ms. Palin might make if she is taking her kids to work with her. Although, I should probably pay more attention to my grammar, I would rather make sure my son is latched on correctly.
Like I said, can you answer the question of experience or lack there of without slamming Obama?
Now as for your view of abortion, I completely respect your opinion. I just don’t agree that your opinion has to be forced on everyone.
As you will see in my post to Sam, I do believe that abstinence works 100% of the time. I don’t believe that teaching it does. Kids don’t always listen to their parents or other adults. That is why it is in their best interest as well as a possible “unborn child” to teach them everything. Abstinence and safe sex. If you only teach abstinence and they do listen to you because they feel they should respect you as an adult, what are they going to do when they turn 18 and decide they can make their own decisions about sex? They will have no information to take with them into adulthood. I know this first hand. I have tried abstinence, right up until I turned 18 and moved away from home. I drank underage (like Bristol) and I am sure that impaired my judgement on the abstinence issue. So when I did have sex it was unprotected I never even thought of using protection some of the time. I got lucky, I didn’t get pregnant and didn’t get an STD although I am the exception rather than the rule.
Now as far as what is taught in schools, I would like to point out that you should raise your kids with the ability to make good choices. This doesn’t always work but how about parents that teach this: “I hope you remain abstinent as we have discussed but if you choose to go against what I have taught you as the ‘right’ thing to do, then I hope you use caution and practice safe sex.” That, my friends is realistic. Case in point, Bristol Palin. I do believe that if parents are involved in the education process WITH the school system, then they can have an impact on exactly how Sex ED is delivered. For example, This is what a condom does ie, helps to prevent pregnancy and std’s, they don’t have to get so specific as to explain or demonstrate how to put it on. To the people who are trying so hard to prevent abortion, I think it would do you well to consider how many abortions you could prevent by teaching safe sex. Again, kids don’t always listen. Even if they do, sometimes hormones can get in the way and they can end up making poor choices. Why not give them the tools they need to prevent loss of life if that does happen?
Abdul,
Canada is a foreign country. Are you unaware that Ms. Palin negotiated with Canada to run a natural gas pipeline through their country to the Lower 48? Yeah, I thought so.
What foreign policy experience did Bill Clinton have, save for getting a little doughy about the middle from eating Chinese food?
If you don’t believe that our views on abortion should be “forced on anyone else,” I would like you to answer the following questions:
1. When a woman has an abortion, is she is or she not forcing her views upon her child?
2. When we make domestic violence illegal, are we or are we not forcing our views of family and the proper relationship between husband and wife upon a private situation?
3. Why would we not protect the weakest and most defenceless among us from harm? Are we “forcing” our views on would-be aggressors?
4. When we make it illegal to rape a woman, are we not forcing our views about the proper exercise of sexuality and sexual activity upon men?
As for your own experiences: the plural of anecdote is not “data.”
Actually, “safer sex” causes abortion and unwed motherhood. You fail to understand the following things:
*When we tell teenagers that it’s okay to have sex, boys think that sex is a human right. They will pressure their dates (not even girlfriends) for it. As someone said, “The sexual revolution worked well for girls until they figured out that all boys want is sex.”
*A lot of people think that there is no problem at all with birth control if used correctly. First of all, teenagers SHOULD NOT USE BIRTH CONTROL. Their failure rates are astronomically high. Second, and more importantly, they do not understand the risks of pregnancy. I’ve heard things like “Condoms don’t fail. They work 100% of the time.”
*Premarital sex causes abortion. (83% of abortions are performed on unmarried women.) When people are having sex, and have no intention of getting married, they are unable to deal with a crisis pregnancy. Women find themselves carrying the child of a man that they could not, in good conscience, marry. So the choices become: abortion, or a life of poverty through single parenthood.
*The sex-positive ethic is the one that causes the problems you propose to fix by… more sex? The reason that people have sex in drunk situations is because we tell children that it is “no big deal” and omit a moral component. We do not tell them about the incredible emotional power of their sexuality, nor that it is worth waiting for. The disgusting and degrading “hook-up” culture that is harming young women is nothing but the logical consequence of comprehensive sex ed.
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Roxanne,
Thank you for the preceding response! Your case would be pretty hard to dispute.
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Roxanne,
Lets discuss a couple of things. Now careful, I am going to use science so I will talk slow and use small words so you can keep up. First of all, abortion and sex education have no relation whatsoever. Sex education is a tool to help our children be educated and safe. My children are going to learn that sex is both for procreation and recreation. They are going to learn how to protect themselves and make informed decisions. Canada, which has a comprehensive sex education program starting at grade 7, has a lower STD rate, lower abortion rate, and lower teen pregnacy rate per capita then any area in the USA. All of the EU has a comprehensive sex education program starting even earlier and has a lower STD rate, lower abortion rate, and lower teen pregnacy rate per capita then any area in the USA. So exactly what numbers do you have to show your system is working better than those of Canada and the EU?
Abortion, you believe is wrong because your “God” says it is. Hunting is ok though? Anybody thought to ask the deer how their “God” feels about it. Isn’t your “God” the same “God” that says that slavery, rape and pedophilia is ok? Numbers 31 : 17,18
17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
So, based on this “God” you condemn children to be born in to poverty, the product of rape and incest to be born by the victim. And you refuse your children the education that could save them from STD’s and unwanted pregnancies.
Simple fact is that until the period of 12 weeks the fetus is a collection of cells no more diverse then the skin you lose washing your hands.
Robert,
Don’t worry. I used to be a chemical engineer; now I’m a lawyer. Big words and science are my specialties.
/bitch-slap
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Robert,
Seems as if I know my science better than you do.
Pray tell, why does the heart beat at 16 days after conception if the “fetus is a collection of cells”? By six weeks LMP, the baby has eye spots, legs, arms, a heart, a tail, eyelids, intestines, a pancreas, a brain, and jaws.
Are you seriously suggesting that humans have eyes, pancreases, intestines, stomachs, brains, and the like strewn about their hands? For those of us not living in freak-mutant world, your claim doesn’t hold water.
Check it out - 4D ultrasound at 12 weeks. Pretty cool, huh? Too bad the right to rip that baby from limb to limb is legal in every state in the country.
Here’s a pregnancy website that explains first-trimester foetal development. By definition, a foetus - which is somewhere between the 8th and 12th week, depending on whether you use the strict framework or the trimester framework - has all major bodily organs. The name derived from a Latin term meaning “little one;” early medical doctors were able to see the foetus as a very small human and gave it that name.
Are we all up to speed now? Foetal development is incredibly cool. If you feel up to it, browse around the May 2004 archives for Discover magazine. It explains how startlingly advanced conception is - how, with only a few cell divisions, the body already has an alignment for the head and feet. It’s really an amazing thing… as it the human body, at any stage of development. It is abundantly clear to me, looking at the feat of engineering that is the human body, that such a thing cannot arise out of chaos — and the notion that we are a lump of undifferentiated cells that spontaneously arranges itself into a baby is ludicrous.
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Roxeanne,
I loved your sarcasm but as for my personal experience…The plural of ‘datum’ is not proof.
“Canada is a foreign country. Are you unaware that Ms. Palin negotiated with Canada to run a natural gas pipeline through their country to the Lower 48? Yeah, I thought so.”
I am a permanent resident of Canada, I am very well aware of Ms. Palin’s “negotiating”. You do know that TransCanada has been trying to get the pipeline built since the 60’s. It is not like she is negotiating over weapons of mass destruction or something that could cause a potential war. TransCanada has been waiting over 40 years, I hardly think Canada will pose a threat to the U.S. if she didn’t “negotiate” to get it done. Plus after all, in her little speech at the “community church” which I am sure had an “organizer” to arrange for her appearance, she was sure to point out that it was going to be god’s will that they build it. So sounds like she was totally powerless and gave all credit to God in that negotiation, I mean…she said it herself. Now for the numbered comments,
1. When a woman has an abortion, is she is or she not forcing her views upon her child?
2. When we make domestic violence illegal, are we or are we not forcing our views of family and the proper relationship between husband and wife upon a private situation?
3. Why would we not protect the weakest and most defenceless among us from harm? Are we “forcing” our views on would-be aggressors?
4. When we make it illegal to rape a woman, are we not forcing our views about the proper exercise of sexuality and sexual activity upon men?
First of all, sentence number one is not written in correct English, I can completely understand though, if you are trying to nurse your child, run the country, pass laws to prevent abortion, cook dinner, provide education to your children about abstinence, practice being holier than thou, all the while trying to type.. After all can’t we women do it all? I did however get your point…but who is counting?
1. She is only forcing her opinion on her “child” if indeed she believes that it is a “child”. I believe in science…I assume you believe in Creationism so there will be an obvious disagreement between what is considered a “child” and what is considered a mass of tissue depending on who you talk to. I do not think it right for someone to push their belief on someone else.
2., 3., and 4.
You can force any law on me that you want. Your morals are another thing all together. I don’t care whether murder is morally right or wrong. It is against the law period, even murdering a doctor getting ready to perform an abortion. It is still against the law no matter who feels it is morally right. I am not debating whether or not it is ok to try and force someone to obey laws, I am debating forcing morals. What if I felt it was morally wrong to not stay home with your small children instead of working outside the home? Is it ok to force that opinion on you? No. As for abortion, it is not against the law. We live in a democracy and maybe someday it will be against the law, although I highly doubt it. In the meantime, I will fight like hell to keep someone out of office that will try and make it a law. If it does become against the law, I am quite sure that those folks that still want one will either do it themselves as in countries where it is illegal. Or they will go to someone who is not qualified to do it for them. Or they will head to the Great North and have it done there. (This applies to question 2,3 and 4)
*When we tell teenagers that it’s okay to have sex, boys think that sex is a human right. They will pressure their dates (not even girlfriends) for it. As someone said, “The sexual revolution worked well for girls until they figured out that all boys want is sex.”
Sex is a human right, Sex education teaches responsibility of this right. How dare you assume that “They” meaning BOYS, will pressure their dates for it. What about the girls who want sex? Last I knew girls have hormones flowing as well as boys. Are you saying that Bristol Palin or any other girl only got knocked up because their boyfriends pressured them into it? Wake up. What an insult to women that is! What you are essentially saying is that girls are too stupid to stand up for what they believe in. Educating them
isn’t just about condoms and being safe it is also about them being able to make choices about if and when they feel they are emotionally ready. It is also about teaching them that it is ok to say no, or ok to say they are not ready. That goes for boys and girls. It seems the right wing has a 1950’s view on women and sexuality.
You are right, birth control is never 100%. If you choose to have sex you need to understand that. This is where I am on the fence about whether sex education should include teaching exactly how to use a condom. Don’t you think the chances of it working would improve if they knew how to use it. (See your statistics above) Also, I think you are forgetting that married women, or older single women also have abortions. What about them? What if they are the offspring of someone who was pressured by a pro life activist to keep their child. What if they didn’t teach their kids about birth control, abstinence etc.? Don’t you suppose sex education would come in handy then? Do you have any idea how many different types of family dynamics are out there and the number of people who have kids who don’t fit into your beaver cleaver family ideology that sex ed can be taught from home? I donated coats to the homeless shelter last winter, Do you have any idea how many children go to school without even having a coat on their back and you expect those parents to find a job, house. Trying to feed their kids is a struggle as it is let alone teaching them sex education or abstinence. Welcome to 2008. Sarah Palin has had a nanny for her kids since they were little, she doesn’t know the first thing about caring for her kids without help. I doubt she is qualified to preach to people she can’t even relate to. Do you really think the American people as a whole (aside from the pro lifers) will ever allow abortion to be against the law again? I hardly think so.
“Premarital sex causes abortion. (83% of abortions are performed on unmarried women.) When people are having sex, and have no intention of getting married, they are unable to deal with a crisis pregnancy. Women find themselves carrying the child of a man that they could not, in good conscience, marry. So the choices become: abortion, or a life of poverty through single parenthood.”
Please, quote your sources. What happens to those kids who are the offspring of the person already living in poverty that does not have an abortion? I see a pattern here. Low income single mom has a child, does not have the means to care for child, likely will not have recources to teach child about safe sex or abstinence, child now a teenager follows in mom’s footsteps and repeats pattern all over again. Sounds great! OR…..Would-be mom decides she made a mistake and aborts then learns from mistake, waits until she is ready to raise a child in a good environment and starts over. Or……teenager receives sex education in school including info about abstinence and perhaps stops cycle. Wow imagine that!
“The reason that people have sex in drunk situations is because we tell children that it is “no big deal” and omit a moral component.”???????? WHAT?????
Where do you get this information?!!!
People have sex in drunk situations because being intoxicated impairs your ability to think clearly?! This is why it is not ok to drink and drive. Not rocket science.
You might take the moral high road in most cases but I am beginning to think you smoke crack. You can do better than that.
Wait, you’re a lawyer and your best response is “I’m lawyer”? Clearly you’re not a very good lawyer.
That is, “I’m a lawyer” excuse the typo.
Robert,
My comment is in Tammi’s spam filter, as I backed myself up with links.
/bitch slap #2
Why do you think I believe in Creationism? As Tammi, Tieki, and anyone else will tell you, I’m not religious. Again, I’m also an engineer. So nice try with the “little girl is ignorant of science” shtick, but you’re debating the wrong woman.
/bitch slap #3
>>>”How dare you assume that “They” meaning BOYS, will pressure their dates for it.”
How DARE you dismiss the times that men have tried to rape me?
It’s not an assumption.
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Okay, let’s break down your thoughts.
ROFLMAO. Cognitive dissonance, much? The subjective question of whether or not she believes her foetus is a child has no bearing on the objective question of what it is. (Scroll up for my earlier comment about foetal development.) If you believe in science, you will understand this.
Incidentally, for all of your pontifications about your belief in science and superiour scientific knowledge, you’ve been loathe to mention any basis for that claim. Credentials? Expertise?
Well, sir, you seem to have missed the point. By legalising abortion, we’ve made it possible for women and abortionists to push their beliefs upon the unborn.
The embryo is undoubtedly both living and human. Dare I say that it is a living human being - a member of the human race? Basic biology dictates that the offspring of two humans is a human. Basic biology also dictates that an embryo is living; otherwise, the mother has miscarried.
Ergo, abortion ends the life of an unborn member of the human race. Yet you dismiss the notion that abortion also forces the beliefs of two people - stronger, more politically powerful - upon another human being.
All of our laws are based on morality. Now, maybe you’re a sociopath, but I’m not, and I’m here to tell you that I wouldn’t kill people, even if it were legal to do so. Our laws prevent people who are less moral from doing things that the rest of us would prefer that they not do, such as kill, steal, swindle, beat up, rape, and destroy. In certain circumstances, lying is a criminal matter (freedom of speech and expression aside).
While some of our laws are designed to ensure that people can live together in a highly organised society, those are different than laws which have a moral basis. For example, the law that you have to drive between the white lines on a road way is different from a law that you cannot use your car to gun down other people. (This is the distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum crimes.) There is no reason why abortion cannot be outlawed, as it has been in the past.
You are aware that it used to be legal to beat women and to keep slaves, because society saw those beings as not quite “persons,” although certainly human. There was one set of rules for one group (white men) and other sets of rules for other groups (women and African-Americans). The justification for those distinctions was that the latter two groups were biologically inferiour. Some things, such as domestic violence and marital rape, were justified under other theories: that it is a private family matter, that the government has no say in how a man runs his household, and that it’s a moral issue, inappropriate for legislation. Sound familiar?
Do we need to go through this every time? Does it not suffice to point out that all members of the human race deserve basic human rights?
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Correction: word immediately after the last block of quoted text should read, “Many,” not “all.” What I meant is that all of the things that people immediately think of when they hear the word “crime” have a moral basis - battery, assault, robbery, kidnapping, rape, murder, etc.
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Just one question, You have heard of the clitoris right? Until abortion becomes against the law, for
whatever reason, this argument is pointless. We disagree, you will never change my mind. I will always give women the credit that they are smart enough to make this their own choice. Legal or not. I am afraid that law school has not helped you out much on common sense. But then again why do you think there are so many lawyer jokes? You have missed the point about breaking a cycle.
I will be sure to get the word out that since you are so concerned about the welfare of the unborn, that anyone pregnant that feels that the choice they would make to have an abortion, should just have the baby not matter what their circumstances are and then they can drop it off on your doorstep. Sounds like a great plan to me.
The right to have child support has nothing to do with actually receiving it.
“Married women who have abortions are generally in their 40s. As they near menopause, it becomes less safe for them to take the Pill. Their husbands are loathe to wear condoms (because no amount of sex ed will change the fact that many men don’t like wearing them).”
I wasn’t talking about sex ed for middle aged married women.
I realize you were addressing the following to “Robert” but it was actually my comment.
/bitch slap #3
>>>”How dare you assume that “They” meaning BOYS, will pressure their dates for it.”
How DARE you dismiss the times that men have tried to rape me?
It’s not an assumption.
Yea, you are the only person this has ever happened to. I couldn’t care less. Kind of like your attitude on guns and my ex husband. And why don’t you wrap your scientific brain around this? http://iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Women/rape.htm
Now speaking of bitch slappedL
Did you want to address the comments Robert made about the statistics in Canada and the EU vs. the States?
Or, the oil pipeline for god?
Or, Sarah Palin’s “negotiating”?
Or, Drunk Sex? “The reason that people have sex in drunk situations is because we tell children that it is “no big deal” and omit a moral component.”???????? WHAT?????
Where did that info come from exactly?
Killing is ok if you are going to war? (No innocent human beings there?)
Let’s give up trying to convince each other about abortion. As I said before, we will never agree. It will continue to happen legal or not, no pro-lifer will ever be able to put a stop to in, or law for that matter. There is always Canada.
Correction:
I will be sure to get the word out that since you are so concerned about the welfare of the unborn, that anyone pregnant and considering abortion (doesn’t matter the circumstances..even rape), should carry full term and then drop the poor bastard off on your doorstep.
Again, trying to type while nursing… We women can do it all eh?
Paula Abdul,
Nice one! Did you finally figure out that you’re debating someone smarter than you, and went to generic insults and liberal talking points? You’ve actually hit the new low of asking me if I know what the clitoris is?!? That’s supposed to be a pro-abortion argument? (Honey, I know where it is. I also know that nothing that organ does can ever get a woman pregnant. It’s the pro-aborts, who seem to think that women can’t experience sexual pleasure without sexual intercourse, who missed that memo!)
ROFLMAO. Thanks for the morning laugh.
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