Passing the hat. ;)
Muslim Patients @ Australian Islam Monitor
In its HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS HANDBOOK ON MUSLIM PATIENTS(*), financed of course by the government, care providers are not only given specific instructions on dealing with Muslim patients, but are expected to know all the details of the Islamic religion. Although Muslims constitute only 2% of the population, they consume an enormous amount of the government’s funding, which of course means TAXPAYER FUNDING. Imagine if care givers had to spend a similar amount of time learning about the religion and culture of all other minorities. But no other minorities expect such privileges when they use our medical services.Now hospitals are busy places, with enormous demands placed on doctors, nurses and ancillary staff. Surely it is enough that they provide a professional caring service. But apparently not. Let’s take a look inside the handbook and see a few short extracts:
Section One: Guidelines for Health Services
If possible, a room should be made available as a prayer room. The hospital chapel may be used for this purpose provided no icons are present. The hospital or health institution should know the direction of Mecca, ie. roughly west-north-west in Australia. This could then be easily pointed out to the patient as all Muslims face Mecca for prayer.
A hospital chapel will do for a prayer room as long as there are no visible icons?! How tolerant of them. Shouldn’t all good muslims already know which way mecca lies? Just in case they could apply the preventive measure of carrying a personal compass with them at all times. Not expect non-muslim health care workers to point it out for them!
In all reality the handbook covers all the basics of islam. What that has to do with health care I would like to know. Follow the link to learn more. Cassandra links to the pdf doc of the handbook as well.
As a matter of fact a hospital porter employed by Royal Manchester Children’s Hospital, Pendlebury, England has lost his job over muslims praying in the hospital chapel refusing to allow a Virgin Mary statue and a Crucifix to be uncovered. Yes! They were covered! As if that wasn’t enough.
An argument broke out after he asked them to remove a cloth covering the crucifix and statue and to turn a picture of the Virgin Mary face up.
It gets worse. At the risk of patients, female muslim medical students studying in several hospitals in England refuse to roll up their sleeves in order to scrub up. God forbid their bare arms show. The hell with sanitary precautions.
Dr Charles Tannock, a Conservative MEP and former hospital consultant, said: “These students are being trained using taxpayers’ money and they have a duty of care to their patients not to put their health at risk.
“Perhaps these women should not be choosing medicine as a career if they feel unable to abide by the guidelines that everyone else has to follow.”
I say shove it! Time for those biatches to switch gears towards a more islamic friendly profession. Which may prove daunting. But that is their problem. Or even better move to an islamic country where unsafe and unsanitary medical practices are not frowned upon. Infect your fellow muslims and stay clear of westerners.
the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.
“No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow,” it said.
Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: “Exposed arms can pick up germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the patient if covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows.”
Excuses, warped logic and accommodation’s. That is islam for ya.
The same fool above, Majid Katme not only believes muslim medical students should not take cleanliness precautions. He wants communicable diseases to flourish among the muslim commuuity in the UK. Placing the entire population at risk.
Dr. A. Majid Katme
Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, says almost all vaccines contain un-Islamic “haram” derivatives of animal or human tissue, and that Muslim parents are better off letting childrens’ immune systems develop on their own.
Nooooooooooooo not the forbidden ‘pork’! Even if it will help me remain healthy, and all others I come in contact with. We can not have that. [roll eyes]
Dr Katme, an NHS psychiatrist, said: “If you breastfeed your child for two years - as the Koran says - and you eat Koranic food like olives and black seed, and you do ablution each time you pray, then you will have a strong defence system.”
Psychiatrist. That is rich. He needs his head examined. Eat and pray and contagious diseases will stay away. Lalalalalalala…..
Bear in mind muslims often travel back and forth to third world countries.
All the more frightening.
12 responses so far ↓
1 Always On Watch // Mar 2, 2008 at 7:26 am
About hospitals with religions icons….
Several years ago, my husband had brain surgery at a Roman Catholic hospital. Nuns and priests everwhere and icons too.
Now, neither my husband nor I are Catholic. But were we offended. I should say not! This particular hospital offered the best neurosurgery in our area and is among the best of such hospitals in the entire United States. So, we “adjusted.”
Of course, the problem is that Muslims WILL NOT adjust. Even worse, they want to endanger the health and the lives of others. I grow so weary of the lot of whining Muslims.
And let’s not forget that Saudi won’t “adjust” for us. Just go there to a hospital–if you dare–and ask that no hijabs be worn in your infidel presence.
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2 Sonnabend // Mar 2, 2008 at 8:06 am
“…. financed of course by the government, care providers are not only given specific instructions on dealing with Muslim patients, but are expected to know all the details of the Islamic religion.”
Yes, they are, as well as Cathlolic, Protestant, Methodist, Buddhist. Shinto and a host of others.
If you care for Muslim patients, then you are expected to know what their beliefs are.
“Imagine if care givers had to spend a similar amount of time learning about the religion and culture of all other minorities”
They do. There is literature and pamphlets available to answer questions, and especially in palliative care, you are expected to know what the customs are for dying and deceased patients.
This is hardly news.
“In all reality the handbook covers all the basics of islam. What that has to do with health care I would like to know”
Everything. That is why it is called holistic nursing, and deals with all aspects of a patient’s care. No one expects them to convert, but a good nurse knows the basics and how to cope with their needs at these times.
I am sorry but you are away off base with this, this is not sharia care, this is nursing staff being expected, and rightly so, to know and understand the beliefs of different cultures.
You deal with the whole person.
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3 Always On Watch // Mar 2, 2008 at 8:21 am
It’s one thing to deal with the whole person. It’s another to push out the preferences of other groups to accommodate one group.
Also, the UK had better stand firm on the hygiene issue. Hygiene lapses pose danger to all patients and caregivers.
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4 Sonnabend // Mar 2, 2008 at 8:24 am
You have obviously never been at the bedside of a dying patient, nor have ever worked in health care.
“care providers are not only given specific instructions on dealing with Muslim patients, but are expected to know all the details of the Islamic religion”
Yes, they are, and I don’t see a problem with that.
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5 Always On Watch // Mar 2, 2008 at 8:32 am
You have obviously never been at the bedside of a dying patient…
Well, I have–at the bed of various family members. As the youngest member of my extended family, I’ve had more than my share of that. I’ve also been at the bed of more than one dying friend–one had multiple sclerosis and was, up until the last few hours, an atheist.
You are correct that I’m not a healthcare professional.
“care providers are not only given specific instructions on dealing with Muslim patients, but are expected to know all the details of the Islamic religion”
Yes, they are, and I don’t see a problem with that.
Islam has an awful lot of details, though. And so do other religions, for that matter.
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6 Sonnabend // Mar 2, 2008 at 8:55 am
“Islam has an awful lot of details, though. And so do other religions, for that matter.”
No one expects them to be experts, and the places I have worked, there has been a Muslim cleric on call, who, I might add, is another health professional, and is well aware that it will do him, and his patients, no good to piss off the nursing staff at 2 o’clock in the bloody morning.
Not to mention that the following morning, the Director of Nursing will want a few words with the cleric, as she has now to deal with some very angry and upset staff.
I am aware of the issues in Britain, they do not apply here, and I am more than a little concerned at the tone of this article, not to mention the fact you are not a health worker, and are hence not in a position to decide what is appropriate for a nurse to know and what is not.
“Surely it is enough that they provide a professional caring service”
And part of that service includes knowing that there is more than one religion, and that whilst one is not expected to know it all, anyone with an ounce of common sense educates themselves on the basics.
I once had to deal with Hasidic family members, who took the time to educate us on the right way to handle the body , should the father die when they were not there.
We did as they asked, they thanked us profusely for showing their faith respect despite the workload they knew we had, and a very difficult time was made easier for all.
Please, I mean no disrespect to a fellow blogger, but you really need to research this issue a bit more, and get a better idea of what a nurse or other health carer learns as part of their training, and what holistic care is all about.
Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater…yes?
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7 Mirco // Mar 2, 2008 at 9:58 am
I’m also a nurse. Sonnabend is correct that is the duty of the nurse to be informed about the believes of his/her patients and try to respect them, if and when this is possible and reasonable.
This don’t imply to renounce to our beliefs or accept unreasonable requests that go against our duty to this or other patients.
Also, the patients, when enter in the hospital, are accepting to follow its rules.
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8 Raven // Mar 2, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I work in nursing, as a nursing assistant. I am the very front line care giver…and have been doing this for 18 yrs now. I have never received any in depth training regarding the religious beliefs and practices of any religion. I have worked with hospice, where priests and pastors and rabbis and clerics perform most of the religious “care”.
For my work, we focus on culture more than anything else. Respecting the norms as much as possible without compromising patient care for all we are assigned to. For example, with Muslim patients, we try to provide an aide of the same sex but it’s not always possible.
Holistic care is exactly what we do- treating the whole person. But for where I’ve been and am at, this has little to do with my specific duties. The nurses I work with are not expected to know every minute detail of every religion- just the basics.
9 Always On Watch // Mar 3, 2008 at 8:12 am
Raven,
For my work, we focus on culture more than anything else. Respecting the norms as much as possible without compromising patient care for all we are assigned to.
That should be the goal, IMO.
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10 Nora // Mar 3, 2008 at 7:30 pm
I don’t have words to describe what I feel when reading this… It’s sincerely disgusting…
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