Ironic Surrealism II

It is not fear that grips me… only a heightened sense of things.

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I Infidel

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It is not fear that grips me… only a heightened sense of things.

“Lan astaslem.”

Originally published 2007-06-03 10:28 pm

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  • 1 Velvet Hammer // Jul 17, 2007 at 4:43 am

    *I have added all comments as one comment below. So as not to lose the thoughts expressed. As page comments did not import with back up.

    Nick // Jun 4th 2007 at 8:01 am

    It is good that you are so confident of your belief, as to put a bold statement that”I will not surrender”. I am wondering; to what are you not surrendering? Your beliefs? If so, which ones? are you saying you will not consider any alternative viewpoints?
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    plodon // Jun 4th 2007 at 1:59 pm

    to what are you not surrendering?

    From the koran:
    9:29: “Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people , until they pay the Jizyah [tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

    Dhimmi -

    Dhimmi (protected) is the Arabic term that refers to a non-Islamic-embracing population that has the ignominious dishonor of living under Islamic domination, in particular Jews and Christians (”people of the book”). People of other religions do not “enjoy” any sort of “protection.” In a similar manner to the Jewish reference to non-Jews as being goyim, so too the term dhimmi refers to non-Muslims. However unlike the Jewish term, goy, and much more important, the dhimmi is a distinctly subjugated second class non-citizen and almost slave who is subjected to dictatorial deprivation of any legal and human rights since he is a non-Muslim.

    http://www.dhimmitude.org/

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
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    velvethammer // Jun 4th 2007 at 4:19 pm

    Nick
    I was gracious enough to provide a link.
    Plodon
    Thanks for pitching in. Though I am having some trouble believing, that Nick was not already aware of what my feelings were behind my thoughts.
    Oh and can you not dig that great font ‘Infidel’? What a helluva a find! I totally flipped when I saw it. A font named ‘infidel’. LMIAO
    What a video! Thanks for that too! Amazing the differences on child raising techniques. Not that could in any way be considered child raising…. [rolling eyes in total disgust]
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    plodon // Jun 6th 2007 at 9:12 am

    Wow. That is a really good article that that link is to. I missed it before, though it was pretty obvious.
    Robert Spencer is great! http://www.jihadwatch.org/
    Heritage Foundation commentary archives - lots O good stuff: http://www.heritage.org/press/commentary/
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    velvethammer // Jun 6th 2007 at 10:10 am

    Nick

    I am wondering; to what are you not surrendering? Your beliefs? If so, which ones? are you saying you will not consider any alternative viewpoints?

    1.) islam
    2.) Yes.
    3.)All
    4.)No. I may learn of others, for research purposes alone. But have no plans on changing my belief system. I am quite comfortable as things stand.
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    Nick // Jun 7th 2007 at 6:04 am

    “No person is as blind as one who will not see”
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    Nick // Jun 7th 2007 at 6:06 am

    Knowledge is knowing - intelligence is understanding
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    Nick // Jun 7th 2007 at 6:15 am

    Please ignore those last two points - my emotions got the better of me
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    Nick // Jun 7th 2007 at 6:29 am

    So are you not surrendering to Islam? If you’re not surrendering against Islam, are you “not surrendering” to anything believed by a muslim, or just the parts of the Koran highlighted by plodon?

    Now for some other questions:
    What would it be to surrender to something?
    Why is surrendering so bad?

    If you will not surrender, then what is the best way to prevent surrendering, according to you?

    What is your belief system exactly? Is it based on these interpretations of the Koran alone, or other interpretations ? Do use reason or faith to come to your conclusions about the world?

    And lastly, What makes the beliefs that plodon outlined in his post so appaling to you?

    I only seek to clarify what you’re saying so I do not misrepresent your views - that would be very unfair of me.
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    velvethammer // Jun 8th 2007 at 9:15 am

    OMG You are like a dog with a bone.
    Listen up and please discontinue trying to psychoanalyse me in your odd little liberal way.

    So are you not surrendering to Islam?
    If you’re not surrendering against Islam, are you “not surrendering” to anything believed by a muslim, or just the parts of the Koran highlighted by plodon?

    For the last time NO. Why you have not grasped that fact is beyond me. And why in the hell would I surrender to anything muslim? With all due respect, that is an idiotic question. Front to back, cover to cover. Each and every last false teaching, every single solitary word.
    I will continue to play along in your game, for the time being. As it is good to have opposing viewpoints shown in an open discussion. Although you are becoming quite annoying.

    Now for some other questions:
    What would it be to surrender to something?
    Why is surrendering so bad?

    Gee whiz! Haven’t you heard of a dictionary? The weak surrender. [roll eyes] I have a steel resolve and an iron clad faith.

    If you will not surrender, then what is the best way to prevent surrendering, according to you?

    RESIST!!! As Churchill once said, “I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.”

    What is your belief system exactly?
    Is it based on these interpretations of the Koran alone, or other interpretations ?
    Do use reason or faith to come to your conclusions about the world?

    My belief system is my business. I will say one thing, it sure as hell aint anything like the cult of deaths belief system, actions or evil ways.
    Is it “based on these interpretations of the Koran alone”, Mmmkay.. that is it. I was a hollow shell till I learned of the evil named islam. [roll eyes]
    Reason, faith, logic and truth!

    And lastly, What makes the beliefs that plodon outlined in his post so appaling to you?

    LMIAO! Are you thick? I answer as this. What is not appalling about it? It is one of the most appalling circumstances that one could find oneself in. Unless of course one prefers slavery, rape and/or death….
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    wytammic // Jun 8th 2007 at 3:00 pm

    Dang you’re good! Hat’s off to you my friend :)
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    velvethammer // Jun 9th 2007 at 3:40 am

    Thanks Tammi! ;)
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    Nick // Jun 13th 2007 at 2:08 am

    You said:
    OMG You are like a dog with a bone.
    Listen up and please discontinue trying to psychoanalyse me in your odd little liberal way

    1. You say “I am like a dog with a bone” what do you mean by that phrase?
    2. I am not trying to psychoanalyse you, I promise. I am merely attempting to comprehend this great truth you have uncovered. For I am feeble of mind and spirit, but I do not give up trying to find wisdom, and it seems to me that what you’ve written seems true, but I do not understand it properly.
    3. I do not consider myself liberal, as I oppose abortion and am against stem-cell cloning.

    Thank you for patiently clarifying my question about opposing Muslim belief. I am sorry that I am annoying you, if you would give me some advice about how I could go about in a less annoying manner, then I would be more than happy to comply.
    However, I am afraid you will have to bear with me, because I am still not clear as to what you are saying and why.

    I said:
    Now for some other questions:
    What would it be to surrender to something?
    Why is surrendering so bad?

    You said:
    Gee whiz! Haven’t you heard of a dictionary? The weak surrender. [roll eyes] I have a steel resolve and an iron clad faith.

    I say:
    I’m sorry, I didn’t quite specify what I was asking for. What I meant to ask was “What does ’surrender’ mean, according to you?” If you are happy with a dictionary definition, would you agree that to surrender is “to relinquish to the control or possession of another under duress or on demand.”?

    So is it being weak that is bad, or is it surrendering that is bad, or both? Also, when you say you have a steel resolve and an iron-clad faith, I assume that means your faith is strong, and that it is infallible. Am I right in thinking this? If your faith is so strong, how do I know that you’re right and that the muslims are wrong? Could you please explain how you came to that conclusion? For I am wracked with uncertainty and doubt in my life, and it would be good to know that there is one place that cannot go wrong.

    I asked:
    If you will not surrender, then what is the best way to prevent surrendering, according to you?

    You said:
    RESIST!!! As Churchill once said, “I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.”

    I ask:
    What would it be, according to you, to resist? Are there better ways of resisting than others?

    I asked:
    What is your belief system exactly?
    Is it based on these interpretations of the Koran alone, or other interpretations ?
    Do use reason or faith to come to your conclusions about the world?

    You said:
    My belief system is my business. I will say one thing, it sure as hell aint anything like the cult of deaths belief system, actions or evil ways.
    Is it “based on these interpretations of the Koran alone”, Mmmkay.. that is it. I was a hollow shell till I learned of the evil named islam. [roll eyes]
    Reason, faith, logic and truth!

    Ok, you say your belief system is your own business, and I respect that. It’s just that I was hoping to be awoken by your insights, and must continue unsatisfied, it seems.

    So you’re saying your beliefs are based on “Reason, faith, logic and truth!” That’s all very well, but I am yet to see the connection between your ideas of the world and the ideas of reason, faith, logic and truth. I can see where faith comes in, but I don’t see any logic in your arguments. But then again, I am rather new here and have not read everything you had to say, but it seems to me you could benefit from outlining your arguments in Premise, premise, conclusion form.

    e.g.
    1. All men are mortal
    2. Socrates is a man
    Therefore, Socrates is mortal

    As for the truth of what you’re saying, I think that you’re on the right track at least, but I would prefer to see some [[i]reasons[i]] for your position. If you would just explain to me clearly what you mean and your reasoning, I may proceed with a light and free heart.

    But I do have some questions
    If you think Muslims are evil for the mere fact that they are Muslims, then what if someone believed in the same God as the Christian God, and the same beliefs as Christians, but still called themselves a “Muslim”? Would you then think that what they believed was evil?

    It seems to me that it makes no sense to think a muslim is evil [[i]for the mere fact that they are Muslim[i]], rather, to merely think a Muslim is evil [[i]when he holds certain beliefs[i]]. We may then conclude that it is the [[i]beliefs[i]] that we don’t like, not the people themselves. The beliefs Plodon outlined for example. We should say that those who hold the beliefs of Dhimmi and the other passage from the Koran are wrong, and we will not submit to [[i]them[i]].

    I agree with your last point, though, let us resist slavery and rape for all, and make no-one a second-class citizen! For no-one can possibly be happy or live well like that!
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    plodon // Jun 14th 2007 at 11:18 am

    Do use reason or faith to come to your conclusions about the world?

    Actually, contrary to the thinking that is all too common, reason and faith are not mutually exclusive at all.

    http://apologetics.johndepoe.com/

    http://www.str.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage
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    velvethammer // Jun 14th 2007 at 9:54 pm

    Good stuff Plodon.
    Nick
    My final answer and I quote:

    please discontinue trying to psychoanalyse me in your odd little liberal way.

    You are more than welcome to visit, comment and discuss the issues at hand. But no more of this, picking my brain on ‘how I feel’.
    This is not a ‘personal feelings’ touchy feely blog.
    Stop making it all about me.
    I have tried to be patient, without being rude. Read the documentation available on any topic you are interested in understanding.
    It will be obvious which I believe in and hold as truth. That will have to suffice.

    I can see where faith comes in, but I don’t see any logic in your arguments. But then again, I am rather new here and have not read everything you had to say, but it seems to me you could benefit from outlining your arguments in Premise, premise, conclusion form.

    If you fail to see any logic in the facts I present then you my friend need to remove the blinders you have donned.
    This is not a thesis, it is a blog. Feel free to take your critique and your writing 101 elsewhere. I can and will present the content of my Blog in any way I so choose.

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